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	<title>Comments on: Invading Mexico</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=2712#comment-20329</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't you have enough problems to deal with within U.S. territory already? 

The discussion only leads to nothing, maybe funny commentaries.

Invading Mexico for what ever reason you can think of would be the end of the U.S. no need of a Phd to know that, the absolute end. Modern warfare or whatever, very unlikely. 

For starters, very expensive, and there is&#160;about 50 billion dollars or more of U.S. investment in Mexico, you are going to ruin it. 

You would have to evacuate every American from Mexico first, like half a million, and deal with the 56 million Mexicans legal and illegal in the U.S.&#160;with what? concentration camps? like in WW2 when you put Japanese in concentration camps, but, at least its purpose won't be extermination, hopefully, that is if they do not revolt or sue the U.S. 

Corona would not be sent to the U.S. anymore. 

I am not sure, you migt want to rename the burrito, although the burrito is more of an american invention, nobody eats burritos in Mexico, only in the north. Freedom wrap? Freedom nachos?

I am not sure where to quote this, but, 30% of the U.S. military is composed of Latinos, many are Mexican, I am not sure but, if mom in Mexico says, come back to fight for your land, guess what is gonna happen? they are likely to not go to Canada, likely to come back home, with all that combat experience in Iraq and Afganistan&#160;and use it. 

Alliances with the Russians and Venezuelans would be immediate, we are gonna need every rocket propelled antitank weapon they can give, plus Aks, ammo, and everything we would have to throw at your Abrams tanks and whatever piece of target practice you can drive over the border.

By the way, there is ample information on where to hit an Abrams tank and devastate it, everything is on google. 

Narcos and Federal and local&#160;government would probably unite, and the narcos &#160;are stocked in colt AR-15s Aks and ammo, guns that somehow dubbed for military use are being sold to them, by the U.S. and Russia, they will love using those guns, plus all the Colt 38 supers and american made grenades. 

You think the Mexican Army is not powerful enough? Mexican army is trained by the U.S. military, and they cannot deal with the Narcos, you think the American Army will be able to fare better? maybe the SEALS will be able to deal with them, but why waste those fine warriors on those pieces of shit, I am sure after the U.S. invasion, the relationship between narcos and mexican government will be pretty close and then we will have a civil war in Mexico, again. 

You are going to bomb, destroy&#160;and take out the Navy, Airforce and Army that in a great percentage &#160;purchase all the weapons and equipment from the U.S.? that is like killing a customer. 

The world would be pissed, they might help out the poor Mexicans, or not, I am sure the narcos will visit every embassy along with Alqaeda, what do we have to lose right?

I probably did not enumaerate all the concecuences of a war with Mexico, but the premise is stupid, that is all there is to it. 

If you are educated people, why do you use Wikipedia? I would use the money for invading Mexico to fund education programs for Americans, you need it. 

and by the way, travel to Mexico one day, go to Cancun, and then think about invading Mexico again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you have enough problems to deal with within U.S. territory already? </p>
<p>The discussion only leads to nothing, maybe funny commentaries.</p>
<p>Invading Mexico for what ever reason you can think of would be the end of the U.S. no need of a Phd to know that, the absolute end. Modern warfare or whatever, very unlikely. </p>
<p>For starters, very expensive, and there is&nbsp;about 50 billion dollars or more of U.S. investment in Mexico, you are going to ruin it. </p>
<p>You would have to evacuate every American from Mexico first, like half a million, and deal with the 56 million Mexicans legal and illegal in the U.S.&nbsp;with what? concentration camps? like in WW2 when you put Japanese in concentration camps, but, at least its purpose won&#8217;t be extermination, hopefully, that is if they do not revolt or sue the U.S. </p>
<p>Corona would not be sent to the U.S. anymore. </p>
<p>I am not sure, you migt want to rename the burrito, although the burrito is more of an american invention, nobody eats burritos in Mexico, only in the north. Freedom wrap? Freedom nachos?</p>
<p>I am not sure where to quote this, but, 30% of the U.S. military is composed of Latinos, many are Mexican, I am not sure but, if mom in Mexico says, come back to fight for your land, guess what is gonna happen? they are likely to not go to Canada, likely to come back home, with all that combat experience in Iraq and Afganistan&nbsp;and use it. </p>
<p>Alliances with the Russians and Venezuelans would be immediate, we are gonna need every rocket propelled antitank weapon they can give, plus Aks, ammo, and everything we would have to throw at your Abrams tanks and whatever piece of target practice you can drive over the border.</p>
<p>By the way, there is ample information on where to hit an Abrams tank and devastate it, everything is on google. </p>
<p>Narcos and Federal and local&nbsp;government would probably unite, and the narcos &nbsp;are stocked in colt AR-15s Aks and ammo, guns that somehow dubbed for military use are being sold to them, by the U.S. and Russia, they will love using those guns, plus all the Colt 38 supers and american made grenades. </p>
<p>You think the Mexican Army is not powerful enough? Mexican army is trained by the U.S. military, and they cannot deal with the Narcos, you think the American Army will be able to fare better? maybe the SEALS will be able to deal with them, but why waste those fine warriors on those pieces of shit, I am sure after the U.S. invasion, the relationship between narcos and mexican government will be pretty close and then we will have a civil war in Mexico, again. </p>
<p>You are going to bomb, destroy&nbsp;and take out the Navy, Airforce and Army that in a great percentage &nbsp;purchase all the weapons and equipment from the U.S.? that is like killing a customer. </p>
<p>The world would be pissed, they might help out the poor Mexicans, or not, I am sure the narcos will visit every embassy along with Alqaeda, what do we have to lose right?</p>
<p>I probably did not enumaerate all the concecuences of a war with Mexico, but the premise is stupid, that is all there is to it. </p>
<p>If you are educated people, why do you use Wikipedia? I would use the money for invading Mexico to fund education programs for Americans, you need it. </p>
<p>and by the way, travel to Mexico one day, go to Cancun, and then think about invading Mexico again.</p>
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		<title>By: Arherring</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=2712#comment-7862</link>
		<dc:creator>Arherring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not arguing that Lind's Generations of Modern Warfare is wrong.&#160;Looking at it as a framework for state on state /&#160;trinitarian warfare it is&#160;very insightful and relevant. I'm saying that XGW and GMW are not the same thing. The do share some of the same characteristics and teminology because XGW grew from GMW, but they are frameworks that address different aspects of conflict. To my thinking, GMW is a description of the evolution of how states prosecute wars from a social/economic/technological standpoint and XGW describes an evolution of doctrine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not arguing that Lind&#8217;s Generations of Modern Warfare is wrong.&nbsp;Looking at it as a framework for state on state /&nbsp;trinitarian warfare it is&nbsp;very insightful and relevant. I&#8217;m saying that XGW and GMW are not the same thing. The do share some of the same characteristics and teminology because XGW grew from GMW, but they are frameworks that address different aspects of conflict. To my thinking, GMW is a description of the evolution of how states prosecute wars from a social/economic/technological standpoint and XGW describes an evolution of doctrine.</p>
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		<title>By: zen</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=2712#comment-7859</link>
		<dc:creator>zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 04:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fairness to Lind, 1GW and 2GW are definitely recognizable as the product of particular historical eras. Geoffrey Parker's thesis on the military revolution of early modern Europe ( Hey Gustavus Adolphus, get those musketeers in a line !) is nothing but the origin of 1GW. 
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3GW is far more timeless, as is 4GW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fairness to Lind, 1GW and 2GW are definitely recognizable as the product of particular historical eras. Geoffrey Parker&#8217;s thesis on the military revolution of early modern Europe ( Hey Gustavus Adolphus, get those musketeers in a line !) is nothing but the origin of 1GW.<br />
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3GW is far more timeless, as is 4GW.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=2712#comment-7855</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 03:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smitten Eagle's reply is well written and well considered.&#160; I have featured it in my most recent post on 5GW.&#160; [1]

&#34;xGW is composed of six so-called &#8220;generations,&#8221; each of which has existed back into the distant path, and all of which will likely exist into the distant future. The term &#8220;generation&#8221; is unfortunate, and comes from William Lind&#8217;s older &#8220;generations of war&#8221; framework, which is a form of Hegelian dialecticalism that is to the analysis of war what Lamarckianism is to the analysis of natural selection. xGW has recently been the topic of conversation in the blogosphere.&#34;

[1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/05/21/5gw-xgw-around-the-blogosphere.htmla</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smitten Eagle&#8217;s reply is well written and well considered.&nbsp; I have featured it in my most recent post on 5GW.&nbsp; [1]</p>
<p>&quot;xGW is composed of six so-called &ldquo;generations,&rdquo; each of which has existed back into the distant path, and all of which will likely exist into the distant future. The term &ldquo;generation&rdquo; is unfortunate, and comes from William Lind&rsquo;s older &ldquo;generations of war&rdquo; framework, which is a form of Hegelian dialecticalism that is to the analysis of war what Lamarckianism is to the analysis of natural selection. xGW has recently been the topic of conversation in the blogosphere.&quot;</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/05/21/5gw-xgw-around-the-blogosphere.htmla" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/05/21/5gw-xgw-around-the-blogosphere.htmla</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arherring</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=2712#comment-7840</link>
		<dc:creator>Arherring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smitten Eagle,

Sorry but I have to make some distinctions here that I think are confusing the issue.

1) There is a difference between Lind's Generations of Modern Warfare and XGW (as discussed at Dreaming 5GW). XGW is derived from GMW but doesn't include the concept of the timeline&#160;or social/industrial/political development defining a particular generation of warfare. As such it has nothing to do with any particular era or the rise&#160;and decline of the state. Instead it focuses on the principles and methods of the different generations. Honestly, the term 'generation' in XGW should be replaced.

2) Because XGW deals in principles and methods it can be applied to any type of conflict including economic and political, not just war. For that matter 5GW as we envision it at D5GW could be used in a proactive manner to avert conflict. On that note the term 'warfare' should probably be replaced.&#160;XGW has become that much of a different concept.

I agree with you that and organization of one is not an oranization and that SEIs shouldn't be what defines 5GW or any level of XGW. 5GW is a potential doctrine for an SEI to practice but that is as far as it goes. There are many options for a (Friedman defined)&#160;super-empowered individual or a Super-Empowered Angry Man to follow. I'd also like to point out that we are dealing with a theory of 5GW. We aren't saying that 5GW exists in any form other than the proto-5GWish and even then in isolated aspects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smitten Eagle,</p>
<p>Sorry but I have to make some distinctions here that I think are confusing the issue.</p>
<p>1) There is a difference between Lind&#8217;s Generations of Modern Warfare and XGW (as discussed at Dreaming 5GW). XGW is derived from GMW but doesn&#8217;t include the concept of the timeline&nbsp;or social/industrial/political development defining a particular generation of warfare. As such it has nothing to do with any particular era or the rise&nbsp;and decline of the state. Instead it focuses on the principles and methods of the different generations. Honestly, the term &#8216;generation&#8217; in XGW should be replaced.</p>
<p>2) Because XGW deals in principles and methods it can be applied to any type of conflict including economic and political, not just war. For that matter 5GW as we envision it at D5GW could be used in a proactive manner to avert conflict. On that note the term &#8216;warfare&#8217; should probably be replaced.&nbsp;XGW has become that much of a different concept.</p>
<p>I agree with you that and organization of one is not an oranization and that SEIs shouldn&#8217;t be what defines 5GW or any level of XGW. 5GW is a potential doctrine for an SEI to practice but that is as far as it goes. There are many options for a (Friedman defined)&nbsp;super-empowered individual or a Super-Empowered Angry Man to follow. I&#8217;d also like to point out that we are dealing with a theory of 5GW. We aren&#8217;t saying that 5GW exists in any form other than the proto-5GWish and even then in isolated aspects.</p>
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		<title>By: Smitten Eagle</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=2712#comment-7831</link>
		<dc:creator>Smitten Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://zenpundit.com/?p=2712#comment-7831</guid>
		<description>(Crossposted at Zenpundit and ChicagoBoyz)
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Dan tdaxp-.
I was criticizing Seerov's previous post..
I am actually an advocate of the 4GW school, although I have some complaints:
.1)&#160; I think the xGW framework is over dialectal.
2)&#160; I think the entire xGW framework is a bit too deterministic, which leads into...
3)&#160; A certain intellectual hubris on the part of many 4GW theorists (this is self-evident)..
At the same time, I think the xGW frameworks through 4GW are reasonably correct, to include the 4GW premises of the decline of the state and the state's consequent loss of the monopoly of force.&#160; The 1GW-3GW frameworks are even more reliable in terms of their theoretical consistency with reality.&#160; 4GW is especially useful to describe how 3GW maneuver forces lose against poorly-equipped insurgencies and other militias..
As far as 5GW goes, I don't think there is even a solid framework to rely on.&#160; Some have referred to 5GW as tactically being about changing the enemie's Observation in the OODA loop to make him think he's not even in conflict with the enemy.&#160; For me, this is too close to the political end of the Policy-War continuum of violence to be considered warfare..
To build on this, Seerov, in the post on Zen's site that I comment on, says that pro-illegal immigration organizations, and thir actions with regard to the law (attempts to classify anti-illegal immigration forces as &#34;xenophobic&#34; and &#34;racist&#34;) should be viewed as 5GW.&#160; Why is this?&#160; My complaints with this contention are that such strategies&#160;and&#160;tactics are too strongly in the realm of Policy--so much so that there really isn't a violent component.&#160; How can this be classified as a different Generation of War?&#160; My second complaint is the mere existence of such pro-illegal immigration groups as La Raza are testament to being 4GW, as such groups are indicative of the decline of the state.&#160; My final complaint is that another aspect of 4GW is fighting on the Moral level of war in order to defeat Mental and Physical levels, and La Raza's actions at this are indicative of this Moral fight..
Others have spoken about the role of the Super Empowered Individual (SEI) as a major actor in 5GW.&#160; I'm afraid that lone gunmen, in my conception of warfare, do not qualify as &#34;organized violence.&#34;&#160; For violence to be &#34;organized,&#34; it requires an Organization.&#160; An Organization of One is not an organization.&#160; I think there has to be more to organized violence than a single pissed-off dude with lots of cunning..
Finally, for 5GW to actually exist, it needs to have a strong track record of convincingly beating 4GW fighting forces.&#160; I'm afraid there really hasn't been any evidence to support this.&#160; (Unless, of course, my denial of 5GW is evidence of it's success...but if that's the case, I think we're getting a bit too close to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle to speak anything authoritatively about 5GW, or any xGW for that matter.).
I don't qualify a Barnett-esque SysAdmin as a 5GW force--such a force would probably be a 4GW force, as it seems to me to be fighting in the same moral-mental-physical plane of the 4GW forces it opposes.&#160; Also, such a SysAdmin force would not be placing strength against 4GW weakness the way 3GW put strength of Maneuver against weakness of Massed Firepower of 2GW weakness.&#160; (It seems to me that for a new GW to exist, there must be an aspect of strength-against-weakness against the previous GW)&#160; A SysAdmin force places its 4GW strengths (mainly in the moral level) against enemy 4GW strength (again, in the moral level).&#160; What level does a 5GW force fight?&#160; Legal?&#160; In Freud's Subconscious?&#160; Where?.
Nor am I really convinced that a SysAdmin, as Barnett concieves it, could even exist, because it does not deal with the root cause of the 4GW violence:&#160; the entropy of the state system.&#160; Sure, it might slow the entropy of a given state, but it's mere existence only saps the legitimacy of the foreign state it's trying to help.&#160; (Lind calls this the Reverse Midas Touch).&#160; For a SysAdmin to work, I think it would have to be home-grown--but then again, we have a word for that:&#160; A Militia.&#160; And there is significant scholarship on the potential utility of militia forces in 4GW fights..
In short, 4GW is tough to deal with, but workable, mainly as a conceptual frame to describe the weakness of Maneuverist 3GW forces against some types of insurgencies, under the rubric of the decline of the state. .
5GW so far is formless and has too fungible of a definition for me to take it seriously, not to mention that 5GW doesn't seem to deal with the decline &#38; demise of the state.&#160; Nor am I convinced that nonviolent political questions qualify as ANY xGW.&#160; Nor am I convinced that an SEI qualifies as ANY sort of organized violence.&#160; .
I'm not even convinced there even HAS to be a 5GW.&#160; Just because there was a 1-4GW doesn't mean we must at some point progress to 5GW.&#160; For all I know, some great technology or political order will be invented tomorrow that&#160;will restore legitimacy to the state, and perhaps then we will be in a sort military-political order where 3GW principles better predict the outcome of political-military struggles..
That is why nailing 4GW Jell-O is difficult, and nailing 5GW Jell-O to a wall is just like nailing any other sugary liquid to the wall.</description>
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Dan tdaxp-.<br />
I was criticizing Seerov&#8217;s previous post..<br />
I am actually an advocate of the 4GW school, although I have some complaints:<br />
.1)&nbsp; I think the xGW framework is over dialectal.<br />
2)&nbsp; I think the entire xGW framework is a bit too deterministic, which leads into&#8230;<br />
3)&nbsp; A certain intellectual hubris on the part of many 4GW theorists (this is self-evident)..<br />
At the same time, I think the xGW frameworks through 4GW are reasonably correct, to include the 4GW premises of the decline of the state and the state&#8217;s consequent loss of the monopoly of force.&nbsp; The 1GW-3GW frameworks are even more reliable in terms of their theoretical consistency with reality.&nbsp; 4GW is especially useful to describe how 3GW maneuver forces lose against poorly-equipped insurgencies and other militias..<br />
As far as 5GW goes, I don&#8217;t think there is even a solid framework to rely on.&nbsp; Some have referred to 5GW as tactically being about changing the enemie&#8217;s Observation in the OODA loop to make him think he&#8217;s not even in conflict with the enemy.&nbsp; For me, this is too close to the political end of the Policy-War continuum of violence to be considered warfare..<br />
To build on this, Seerov, in the post on Zen&#8217;s site that I comment on, says that pro-illegal immigration organizations, and thir actions with regard to the law (attempts to classify anti-illegal immigration forces as &quot;xenophobic&quot; and &quot;racist&quot;) should be viewed as 5GW.&nbsp; Why is this?&nbsp; My complaints with this contention are that such strategies&nbsp;and&nbsp;tactics are too strongly in the realm of Policy&#8211;so much so that there really isn&#8217;t a violent component.&nbsp; How can this be classified as a different Generation of War?&nbsp; My second complaint is the mere existence of such pro-illegal immigration groups as La Raza are testament to being 4GW, as such groups are indicative of the decline of the state.&nbsp; My final complaint is that another aspect of 4GW is fighting on the Moral level of war in order to defeat Mental and Physical levels, and La Raza&#8217;s actions at this are indicative of this Moral fight..<br />
Others have spoken about the role of the Super Empowered Individual (SEI) as a major actor in 5GW.&nbsp; I&#8217;m afraid that lone gunmen, in my conception of warfare, do not qualify as &quot;organized violence.&quot;&nbsp; For violence to be &quot;organized,&quot; it requires an Organization.&nbsp; An Organization of One is not an organization.&nbsp; I think there has to be more to organized violence than a single pissed-off dude with lots of cunning..<br />
Finally, for 5GW to actually exist, it needs to have a strong track record of convincingly beating 4GW fighting forces.&nbsp; I&#8217;m afraid there really hasn&#8217;t been any evidence to support this.&nbsp; (Unless, of course, my denial of 5GW is evidence of it&#8217;s success&#8230;but if that&#8217;s the case, I think we&#8217;re getting a bit too close to Heisenberg&#8217;s Uncertainty Principle to speak anything authoritatively about 5GW, or any xGW for that matter.).<br />
I don&#8217;t qualify a Barnett-esque SysAdmin as a 5GW force&#8211;such a force would probably be a 4GW force, as it seems to me to be fighting in the same moral-mental-physical plane of the 4GW forces it opposes.&nbsp; Also, such a SysAdmin force would not be placing strength against 4GW weakness the way 3GW put strength of Maneuver against weakness of Massed Firepower of 2GW weakness.&nbsp; (It seems to me that for a new GW to exist, there must be an aspect of strength-against-weakness against the previous GW)&nbsp; A SysAdmin force places its 4GW strengths (mainly in the moral level) against enemy 4GW strength (again, in the moral level).&nbsp; What level does a 5GW force fight?&nbsp; Legal?&nbsp; In Freud&#8217;s Subconscious?&nbsp; Where?.<br />
Nor am I really convinced that a SysAdmin, as Barnett concieves it, could even exist, because it does not deal with the root cause of the 4GW violence:&nbsp; the entropy of the state system.&nbsp; Sure, it might slow the entropy of a given state, but it&#8217;s mere existence only saps the legitimacy of the foreign state it&#8217;s trying to help.&nbsp; (Lind calls this the Reverse Midas Touch).&nbsp; For a SysAdmin to work, I think it would have to be home-grown&#8211;but then again, we have a word for that:&nbsp; A Militia.&nbsp; And there is significant scholarship on the potential utility of militia forces in 4GW fights..<br />
In short, 4GW is tough to deal with, but workable, mainly as a conceptual frame to describe the weakness of Maneuverist 3GW forces against some types of insurgencies, under the rubric of the decline of the state. .<br />
5GW so far is formless and has too fungible of a definition for me to take it seriously, not to mention that 5GW doesn&#8217;t seem to deal with the decline &amp; demise of the state.&nbsp; Nor am I convinced that nonviolent political questions qualify as ANY xGW.&nbsp; Nor am I convinced that an SEI qualifies as ANY sort of organized violence.&nbsp; .<br />
I&#8217;m not even convinced there even HAS to be a 5GW.&nbsp; Just because there was a 1-4GW doesn&#8217;t mean we must at some point progress to 5GW.&nbsp; For all I know, some great technology or political order will be invented tomorrow that&nbsp;will restore legitimacy to the state, and perhaps then we will be in a sort military-political order where 3GW principles better predict the outcome of political-military struggles..<br />
That is why nailing 4GW Jell-O is difficult, and nailing 5GW Jell-O to a wall is just like nailing any other sugary liquid to the wall.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=2712#comment-7830</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Cross-posted on Chicago Boyz and ZenPundit)

I began a reply, but as I wrote it I realized I have no idea what Smitten Eagle is talking about.&#160; Who is he criticizing?&#160; What text, what person?&#160; Or is he merely complaining he doesn't know enough about it to criticize it? &#160;

If he is criticizing some person or text, should say what it is and give his reasons.&#160; If he is criticizing his own lack of understanding, he should learn more!</description>
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<p>I began a reply, but as I wrote it I realized I have no idea what Smitten Eagle is talking about.&nbsp; Who is he criticizing?&nbsp; What text, what person?&nbsp; Or is he merely complaining he doesn&#8217;t know enough about it to criticize it? &nbsp;</p>
<p>If he is criticizing some person or text, should say what it is and give his reasons.&nbsp; If he is criticizing his own lack of understanding, he should learn more!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bennett</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=2712#comment-7826</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given massive disorder in Mexico, the US would have to do something.  Although a major armed presence of US troops would be problematic on many levels, it mght make sense to indirectly support a regional or separatist government for the northern tier of Mexican states.  There is a separatist history in that area (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_the_Rio_Grande" rel="nofollow"&gt;Republic of the Rio Grande&lt;/a&gt;) and far stronger cross-border ties than exist in central or southern Mexico.  The GDP gap between Mexico as a whole and the USA is the largest gap on any first world border.  Northern Mexico as an independent state would have a substantially higher GDP and thus lower the gap; it would be more likely to establish an effective administration, and would serve as a buffer state against places like Chiapas that might be exporting disorder for a long time to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given massive disorder in Mexico, the US would have to do something.  Although a major armed presence of US troops would be problematic on many levels, it mght make sense to indirectly support a regional or separatist government for the northern tier of Mexican states.  There is a separatist history in that area (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_the_Rio_Grande" rel="nofollow">Republic of the Rio Grande</a>) and far stronger cross-border ties than exist in central or southern Mexico.  The GDP gap between Mexico as a whole and the USA is the largest gap on any first world border.  Northern Mexico as an independent state would have a substantially higher GDP and thus lower the gap; it would be more likely to establish an effective administration, and would serve as a buffer state against places like Chiapas that might be exporting disorder for a long time to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Smitten Eagle</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=2712#comment-7803</link>
		<dc:creator>Smitten Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seerov--

I'm not sure I necessarely buy into the 5GW frameworks yet.&#160; Trying to nail 4GW Jell-O to the wall is hard enough.&#160; 5GW is like nailing said Jell-O while it's still liquid.

But your point is well taken.&#160; There are myriad gaps in our legal, political, and physical systems the enemies of America could exploit the second America decides to enforce its will south of the border.&#160; Better to seal the Gaps first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seerov&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I necessarely buy into the 5GW frameworks yet.&nbsp; Trying to nail 4GW Jell-O to the wall is hard enough.&nbsp; 5GW is like nailing said Jell-O while it&#8217;s still liquid.</p>
<p>But your point is well taken.&nbsp; There are myriad gaps in our legal, political, and physical systems the enemies of America could exploit the second America decides to enforce its will south of the border.&nbsp; Better to seal the Gaps first.</p>
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		<title>By: Seerov</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=2712#comment-7786</link>
		<dc:creator>Seerov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 05:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&#34;Imagine the 4GW&#160;tactics that could be employed against us&#8211;waves of &#34;undocumented workers&#34;, protests in the streets, strikes, etc., the second a boot crosses south of the border.&#34;

&lt;/em&gt;Imagine 5GW warfare tactics in which &#34;activist&#34; groups like La Raza (The Race) intimate opponents&#160;of open borders with accusations of &#34;racism&#34; and &#34;xenophobia.&#34;&#160; Lately, groups like LA Raza (The Race) have been lobbying for &#34;hate-speech&#34; laws as well.&#160; The desire for &#34;hate-speech&#34; laws should be viewed as a 5GW warfare tactic with the purpose of legally shutting down the ability of anti-open border groups to organize.&#160; If it becomes illegal to point out the negative aspects of open borders, then this will make anti-open groups into De facto criminal organizations.&#160; 

There also exists the possibility of the Mexican mafia carrying out hits on anti-open border activists.&#160; People like Jim Gilchrist[1] of the &#34;Minutemen&#34; group may find themselves the target of assassinations.&#160; This is a common tactic in Latin America used against opposition groups.&#160; We should also expect leftists to excuse or justify&#160;these&#160;assassinations as the result of an &#34;oppressive system.&#34;&#160;

The Mexican mafia or street gangs like MS-13 have the potential to&#160;evolve into political organizations in the future.&#160; We seen this with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in the former Yugoslavia.&#160; Groups like La Raza (The Race) will act as the&#160;&#34;peaceful&#34; front group while MS-13 will be the muscle.&#160; Groups like the IRA or Hezbollah&#160;had/have&#160;socio-political&#160;wings which&#160;win the support of the people by supplying social&#160;welfare programs.&#160;&#160;We can expect Venezuela, Cuba, and&#160;Bolivia to support this neo-Marxist insurgency in the South West United States&#160;similar to how Iran supports Hezbollah.&#160;&#160;

I hope I'm wrong; but in 30 years we may unfortunately have to use our COIN skills within the United States.

[1] &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gilchrist" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gilchrist&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&quot;Imagine the 4GW&nbsp;tactics that could be employed against us&ndash;waves of &quot;undocumented workers&quot;, protests in the streets, strikes, etc., the second a boot crosses south of the border.&quot;</p>
<p></em>Imagine 5GW warfare tactics in which &quot;activist&quot; groups like La Raza (The Race) intimate opponents&nbsp;of open borders with accusations of &quot;racism&quot; and &quot;xenophobia.&quot;&nbsp; Lately, groups like LA Raza (The Race) have been lobbying for &quot;hate-speech&quot; laws as well.&nbsp; The desire for &quot;hate-speech&quot; laws should be viewed as a 5GW warfare tactic with the purpose of legally shutting down the ability of anti-open border groups to organize.&nbsp; If it becomes illegal to point out the negative aspects of open borders, then this will make anti-open groups into De facto criminal organizations.&nbsp; </p>
<p>There also exists the possibility of the Mexican mafia carrying out hits on anti-open border activists.&nbsp; People like Jim Gilchrist[1] of the &quot;Minutemen&quot; group may find themselves the target of assassinations.&nbsp; This is a common tactic in Latin America used against opposition groups.&nbsp; We should also expect leftists to excuse or justify&nbsp;these&nbsp;assassinations as the result of an &quot;oppressive system.&quot;&nbsp;</p>
<p>The Mexican mafia or street gangs like MS-13 have the potential to&nbsp;evolve into political organizations in the future.&nbsp; We seen this with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in the former Yugoslavia.&nbsp; Groups like La Raza (The Race) will act as the&nbsp;&quot;peaceful&quot; front group while MS-13 will be the muscle.&nbsp; Groups like the IRA or Hezbollah&nbsp;had/have&nbsp;socio-political&nbsp;wings which&nbsp;win the support of the people by supplying social&nbsp;welfare programs.&nbsp;&nbsp;We can expect Venezuela, Cuba, and&nbsp;Bolivia to support this neo-Marxist insurgency in the South West United States&nbsp;similar to how Iran supports Hezbollah.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m wrong; but in 30 years we may unfortunately have to use our COIN skills within the United States.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gilchrist" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gilchrist</a></p>
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