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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post: On al-Awlaki: Constants on the Path of Jihad</title>
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		<title>By: Charles Cameron</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=3258#comment-14172</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! &#160;Indeed, the &#34;echo&#34; of the hadith about dying and coming back to life that I thought I heard in the reference to Allah putting a shaheed-author's soul into his books so he can live again is pretty explicit in that video, in the transition between bin Laden saying:&lt;blockquote&gt;The Seal of the Prophets and Messengers (on whom be peace and prayers) wishes for this status.  So be aware of and comprehend just what this status is which the best of all creation (on whom be peace and prayers) wishes for. He wishes to be a Shaheed [martyr]: By He in whose Hand s Muhammad's soul, I wish that I could attack, then be killed, then attack, then be killed, then attack, then be killed.&#34; So this long and wide life is summarized by the one upon whom revelation is sent down from the Lord of the heavens and earth (Glorious and Exalted is He). This Noble Prophet to whom revelation is sent down summarizes this life with these words, and wishes for this status. So happy is the one who Allah takes as a Shaheed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;and Azzam saying:&lt;blockquote&gt;Our words remain dead, like waxen dolls, unmoving and frozen, until when we die for them, they rise up, alive, to live among the living.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! &nbsp;Indeed, the &quot;echo&quot; of the hadith about dying and coming back to life that I thought I heard in the reference to Allah putting a shaheed-author&#8217;s soul into his books so he can live again is pretty explicit in that video, in the transition between bin Laden saying:<br />
<blockquote>The Seal of the Prophets and Messengers (on whom be peace and prayers) wishes for this status.  So be aware of and comprehend just what this status is which the best of all creation (on whom be peace and prayers) wishes for. He wishes to be a Shaheed [martyr]: By He in whose Hand s Muhammad&#8217;s soul, I wish that I could attack, then be killed, then attack, then be killed, then attack, then be killed.&quot; So this long and wide life is summarized by the one upon whom revelation is sent down from the Lord of the heavens and earth (Glorious and Exalted is He). This Noble Prophet to whom revelation is sent down summarizes this life with these words, and wishes for this status. So happy is the one who Allah takes as a Shaheed.</p></blockquote>
<p>and Azzam saying:<br />
<blockquote>Our words remain dead, like waxen dolls, unmoving and frozen, until when we die for them, they rise up, alive, to live among the living.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ibn Siqilli</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=3258#comment-14162</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibn Siqilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijaOJ_gOKDo" rel="nofollow"&gt;Winds of Paradise I (English)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Ibn Siqilli</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=3258#comment-14161</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibn Siqilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charles,

Just a quick, possibly interesting-to-you addendum to your comment about the hadith attributed to Abu Hurayra: Usama bin Laden paraphrases this hadith in the introductory segment to &#34;Winds of Paradise,&#34; the major al-Qa'ida Central video series about Afghanistan and Pakistan (and specifically about its martyrs).&#160; The introductory segment is the same for all four installments of the series.&#160; I have found a copy of the English subtitled version on YouTube:

&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijaOJ_gOKDo&#34;&#62;Winds of Paradise I (English)&#60;/a&#62; 

The intro also includes what I think is one of the best examples of the &#34;jihadi nasheed,&#34; one which encompasses the popular folklore among jihadis about martyrdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charles,</p>
<p>Just a quick, possibly interesting-to-you addendum to your comment about the hadith attributed to Abu Hurayra: Usama bin Laden paraphrases this hadith in the introductory segment to &quot;Winds of Paradise,&quot; the major al-Qa&#8217;ida Central video series about Afghanistan and Pakistan (and specifically about its martyrs).&nbsp; The introductory segment is the same for all four installments of the series.&nbsp; I have found a copy of the English subtitled version on YouTube:</p>
<p>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijaOJ_gOKDo&quot;&gt;Winds of Paradise I (English)&lt;/a&gt; </p>
<p>The intro also includes what I think is one of the best examples of the &quot;jihadi nasheed,&quot; one which encompasses the popular folklore among jihadis about martyrdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean E. Rosenfeld</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=3258#comment-14147</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean E. Rosenfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,

Thank-you for cinching the timeline within which Hasan could have accessed al-Awlaki's ideas.&#160; He had attended his mosque, so we can assume he knew about him.

Reference to poetics is also extremely helpful.&#160; There is oddly, a sort of &#34;romance&#34; to the epic framework of apocalyptic in which a warrior accepts the role of defender of the faith, witness to truth, and sacrificial hero.&#160; (One sees it also in the acts of Christians who are &#34;left behind&#34; in the Jenkins-La Haye rendering of dispensationalism.) Adopting the epic framework of apocalyptic jihad-in-the-path-of-Allah, allows someone who is both lonely and disrespected to attain a heroic status in the new world that his creed ultimately promises him.

The use of I-technology to effect a metanoia in a liminal American like Hasan also warns us of the ability of the enemy to adapt most creatively to our offensive successes.&#160; There is a pattern in this case of turning a person into a threat that we need to grasp, and this discussion really helps in discerning what may have happened.

Al-Qaida has gradually used Americans to entice Westerners, first by using Adam Gadahn as a spokesman to the West, and now by the surfacing of an American Muslim cleric on the Web.&#160; As they say, when one cannot engage in jihad, engage in Dawa, which is a necessary concommitant and/or subsitute means of jihad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,</p>
<p>Thank-you for cinching the timeline within which Hasan could have accessed al-Awlaki&#8217;s ideas.&nbsp; He had attended his mosque, so we can assume he knew about him.</p>
<p>Reference to poetics is also extremely helpful.&nbsp; There is oddly, a sort of &quot;romance&quot; to the epic framework of apocalyptic in which a warrior accepts the role of defender of the faith, witness to truth, and sacrificial hero.&nbsp; (One sees it also in the acts of Christians who are &quot;left behind&quot; in the Jenkins-La Haye rendering of dispensationalism.) Adopting the epic framework of apocalyptic jihad-in-the-path-of-Allah, allows someone who is both lonely and disrespected to attain a heroic status in the new world that his creed ultimately promises him.</p>
<p>The use of I-technology to effect a metanoia in a liminal American like Hasan also warns us of the ability of the enemy to adapt most creatively to our offensive successes.&nbsp; There is a pattern in this case of turning a person into a threat that we need to grasp, and this discussion really helps in discerning what may have happened.</p>
<p>Al-Qaida has gradually used Americans to entice Westerners, first by using Adam Gadahn as a spokesman to the West, and now by the surfacing of an American Muslim cleric on the Web.&nbsp; As they say, when one cannot engage in jihad, engage in Dawa, which is a necessary concommitant and/or subsitute means of jihad.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Cameron</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=3258#comment-14135</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like we should both find ourselves copies of&#160;&lt;a href="http://www.ibtauris.com/display.asp?K=9781845116866" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dying for Faith: Religiously Motivated Violence in the Contemporary World&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&#160;by Madawi al-Rasheed and Marat Shterin, which -- in addition to a raft of scholars of new religious movements (NRMs) including&#160;J. Gordon Melton, Eileen Barker, David G. Bromley, Stuart Wright, Massimo Introvigne, and Ian Reader -- features a piece by&#160;John Hall (who commented recently &lt;a href="/?p=3193#comment-12855" rel="nofollow"&gt;on this blog&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2009/11/the-hasan-slide-presentation/#comment-5563" rel="nofollow"&gt;at SWJ&lt;/a&gt;) on &#34;Apocalypse, history, and the empire of modernity&#34;, as well as a piece by Madawi Al-Rasheed titled &#34;Rituals of life and death: the politics and poetics of jihad in Saudi Arabia&#34;.&#160; All in all, it looks to be a very impressive volume (from IB Tauris).&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; 
.&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; And (taking a deep breath) there's that passage in &lt;em&gt;A Defence of Poetry&lt;/em&gt; where Shelley declares, &#34;&lt;a href="http://www.bartleby.com/27/23.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world&lt;/a&gt;.&#34;&#160; But that's taking us far afield from the poetics of jihad, and in counterpoint to that theme, I do think it bears repeating that &#34;&lt;a href="http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/mediaculture/979/found_in_translation:_how_a_thirteenth_century_islamic_poet_conquered_america" rel="nofollow"&gt;the best-selling poet in America today&lt;/a&gt;&#34; was born near Balkh, a town near Mazaar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan.&#160; My own preferred translations (I have old fashioned, scholarly tastes) are those in &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mystical-Collection-Representative-Persian-Heritage/dp/0226731510" rel="nofollow"&gt;two slim volumes&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mystical-Poems-Rumi-Selection-201-400/dp/0226731529" rel="nofollow"&gt;A.J. Arberry&lt;/a&gt;.&#160; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like we should both find ourselves copies of&nbsp;<a href="http://www.ibtauris.com/display.asp?K=9781845116866" rel="nofollow"><em>Dying for Faith: Religiously Motivated Violence in the Contemporary World</em></a>&nbsp;by Madawi al-Rasheed and Marat Shterin, which &#8212; in addition to a raft of scholars of new religious movements (NRMs) including&nbsp;J. Gordon Melton, Eileen Barker, David G. Bromley, Stuart Wright, Massimo Introvigne, and Ian Reader &#8212; features a piece by&nbsp;John Hall (who commented recently <a href="/?p=3193#comment-12855" rel="nofollow">on this blog</a> and <a href="http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2009/11/the-hasan-slide-presentation/#comment-5563" rel="nofollow">at SWJ</a>) on &quot;Apocalypse, history, and the empire of modernity&quot;, as well as a piece by Madawi Al-Rasheed titled &quot;Rituals of life and death: the politics and poetics of jihad in Saudi Arabia&quot;.&nbsp; All in all, it looks to be a very impressive volume (from IB Tauris).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />
.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And (taking a deep breath) there&#8217;s that passage in <em>A Defence of Poetry</em> where Shelley declares, &quot;<a href="http://www.bartleby.com/27/23.html" rel="nofollow">Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world</a>.&quot;&nbsp; But that&#8217;s taking us far afield from the poetics of jihad, and in counterpoint to that theme, I do think it bears repeating that &quot;<a href="http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/mediaculture/979/found_in_translation:_how_a_thirteenth_century_islamic_poet_conquered_america" rel="nofollow">the best-selling poet in America today</a>&quot; was born near Balkh, a town near Mazaar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan.&nbsp; My own preferred translations (I have old fashioned, scholarly tastes) are those in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mystical-Collection-Representative-Persian-Heritage/dp/0226731510" rel="nofollow">two slim volumes</a> by <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mystical-Poems-Rumi-Selection-201-400/dp/0226731529" rel="nofollow">A.J. Arberry</a>.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: david ronfeldt</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=3258#comment-14129</link>
		<dc:creator>david ronfeldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>charles, apropos your mention in comment #4 about a &#34;poetics of jihad,&#34; i'm reminded of a notion i saw recently in a different context (h/t jay taber of skookum blog) from a writing by f.s.c. northrop:&#160; 
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&#34;Unless we are protected by poetry ... the mind of man becomes overstimulated while his spirit dies.&#34;&#160; 
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it's an interesting notion.&#160; maybe it applies quite broadly.&#160; i know i'd like to be protected by poetry.&#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>charles, apropos your mention in comment #4 about a &quot;poetics of jihad,&quot; i&#8217;m reminded of a notion i saw recently in a different context (h/t jay taber of skookum blog) from a writing by f.s.c. northrop:&nbsp;<br />
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&quot;Unless we are protected by poetry &#8230; the mind of man becomes overstimulated while his spirit dies.&quot;&nbsp;<br />
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it&#8217;s an interesting notion.&nbsp; maybe it applies quite broadly.&nbsp; i know i&#8217;d like to be protected by poetry.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: zen</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=3258#comment-14109</link>
		<dc:creator>zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment by Byrnes would normally be deleted as spam but this one will remain at Charles' request. 
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If the guy comes and engages in discussion, great. Otherwise, in the future, any further &#34;cut and paste&#34; commenting&#160; from this blogger will result in his&#160;being banned from ZP. Charles is right, it is rude to whore your site for free advertising and it is generally not tolerated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment by Byrnes would normally be deleted as spam but this one will remain at Charles&#8217; request.<br />
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If the guy comes and engages in discussion, great. Otherwise, in the future, any further &quot;cut and paste&quot; commenting&nbsp; from this blogger will result in his&nbsp;being banned from ZP. Charles is right, it is rude to whore your site for free advertising and it is generally not tolerated.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Cameron</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=3258#comment-14108</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Byrnes: &#160; &#160;&#160;. &#160; &#160;&#160;Your ideas appear to be of interest. &#160;Cutting and pasting the same exact comment onto fifteen or so different sites, however, is generally considered rude. &#160;You do yourself no service by giving yourself the reputation of someone who does not suit his words to the conversations in place, preferring self-advertisement to&#160;dialog. &#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Byrnes: &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;. &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;Your ideas appear to be of interest. &nbsp;Cutting and pasting the same exact comment onto fifteen or so different sites, however, is generally considered rude. &nbsp;You do yourself no service by giving yourself the reputation of someone who does not suit his words to the conversations in place, preferring self-advertisement to&nbsp;dialog. &nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: John Byrnes</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=3258#comment-14104</link>
		<dc:creator>John Byrnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;LEARN HOW TO PREVENT FUTURE NIDAL HASANS&#160;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The dilemma caused by the shooting at Fort Hood by Major Hasan exemplifies how each of our programs have failed us. When supervisors, counselors and task forces members rely on subjective references of culture and mental illness, observers miss the signs specific to aggression referenced in post analysis.&#160; When observers focus specifically on aggressive behavior, the objective and culturally neutral signs of &#8220;aggression&#8221; standout, providing the opportunity to prevent these violent encounters.&#160;Major Hasan was under surveillance by two Terrorist Task Forces, one with Department of Defense oversight and the other with FBI oversight.&#160; So why wasn&#8217;t he stopped? &#160;The use of subjective/qualitative indicators, prone to stereotype individuals by culture or religion; versus quantitative indicators and the use of mental health references know to mislead and misconstrue, fails us repeatedly in our attempts to prevent acts of violence. Only when we use the specificity of &#8220;aggression&#8221; and its objective, culturally neutral indicators can we get-out-in-front of these acts of aggression and prevent them. Why are current systems uses on campus failing us?&#160;The answer is quite simple &#8211; The military does not have an objective and culturally neutral system that collects information and evaluates it to determine the degree (or level) of aggression an individual is displaying, nor has it people who have a clear responsibility to observe and report this information. Learn more about the problem and the solution by reading our Blog: &lt;a href="http://blog.aggressionmanagement.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://Blog.AggressionManagement.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a></a><a></a>LEARN HOW TO PREVENT FUTURE NIDAL HASANS&nbsp;<a></a><a></a>The dilemma caused by the shooting at Fort Hood by Major Hasan exemplifies how each of our programs have failed us. When supervisors, counselors and task forces members rely on subjective references of culture and mental illness, observers miss the signs specific to aggression referenced in post analysis.&nbsp; When observers focus specifically on aggressive behavior, the objective and culturally neutral signs of &ldquo;aggression&rdquo; standout, providing the opportunity to prevent these violent encounters.&nbsp;Major Hasan was under surveillance by two Terrorist Task Forces, one with Department of Defense oversight and the other with FBI oversight.&nbsp; So why wasn&rsquo;t he stopped? &nbsp;The use of subjective/qualitative indicators, prone to stereotype individuals by culture or religion; versus quantitative indicators and the use of mental health references know to mislead and misconstrue, fails us repeatedly in our attempts to prevent acts of violence. Only when we use the specificity of &ldquo;aggression&rdquo; and its objective, culturally neutral indicators can we get-out-in-front of these acts of aggression and prevent them. Why are current systems uses on campus failing us?&nbsp;The answer is quite simple &ndash; The military does not have an objective and culturally neutral system that collects information and evaluates it to determine the degree (or level) of aggression an individual is displaying, nor has it people who have a clear responsibility to observe and report this information. Learn more about the problem and the solution by reading our Blog: <a href="http://blog.aggressionmanagement.com/" rel="nofollow">http://Blog.AggressionManagement.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charles Cameron</title>
		<link>http://zenpundit.com/?p=3258#comment-14086</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and perhaps we can detect and echo of the hadith narrated by Abu Huraira and recorded in Bukhari (1.2.35), according to which the Prophet said, &#34;I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause,&#34; in that phrase of al-Awlaki's, &#34;They wrote amazing books, and after they died it was as if Allah made their soul enter their words to make it alive; it gives their words a new life.&#34;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;   .&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;   I don't think I have mentioned it before, but there's a poetics of jihad, another aspect of jihadist texts which would repay careful study, and at first glance I'd say this appears to be one of its recurring motifs.&#160;&#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and perhaps we can detect and echo of the hadith narrated by Abu Huraira and recorded in Bukhari (1.2.35), according to which the Prophet said, &quot;I would have loved to be martyred in Allah&#8217;s cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause,&quot; in that phrase of al-Awlaki&#8217;s, &quot;They wrote amazing books, and after they died it was as if Allah made their soul enter their words to make it alive; it gives their words a new life.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   .&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   I don&#8217;t think I have mentioned it before, but there&#8217;s a poetics of jihad, another aspect of jihadist texts which would repay careful study, and at first glance I&#8217;d say this appears to be one of its recurring motifs.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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