One hadith, one plan, one video, and two warnings
I will close with two of Hamid’s speeches, posted on YouTube, each of them containing a warning. The first is in English, geopolitical in tone, and contains a warning to the US, Israel and India, that they should not attack Pakistan.
The second is addressed to the Hindus:
Such an invitation to convert is mandatory “when you meet your enemies’ before waging jihad, as stated in the hadith in Sahih Muslim, Book 19, 4294:
Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them.
— and parallels bin Laden‘s Letter to America, in which UBL wrote:
The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.
(a) The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them – peace be upon them all.
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The outline:
That’s the basic outline.
I hope to dig in deeper and provide more subtlety in future posts, but this topic is still pretty new to me — I first ran across it, somewhat tangentially, in the United States of Islam video which I began to discuss in October 2010, and which I may return to shortly.
I also wish to invite comment from others who have been looking into the Ghazwa for longer than I have.
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omar:
November 12th, 2011 at 2:19 am
Next you should go back to the source and start looking at Allama Iqbal himself. Obviously not a clown like Zaid Hamid, but not without elements that provide the raw material for Zaid Hamid and his burger-jihadi friends: http://www.brownpundits.com/2011/11/09/allama-iqbal-stray-thoughts/
omar:
November 12th, 2011 at 2:22 am
see also: http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/homistan/who_is_zaid_hamid.html
zen:
November 12th, 2011 at 5:13 am
"…in a 4th Generation War….."
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Interesting.
zen:
November 12th, 2011 at 5:43 am
If you took many of the concepts that have floated in the 4GW/5GW-.mil-COIN-strategy blogosphere and put them in a mixmaster with Pakistani conspiracy theories and did it as a weekend update SNL skit, it would sound a lot like this Zaid character. Or maybe Guy Caballero from SCTV in the 80’s
omar:
November 12th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Yes, it would look like Zaid. But this clown has serious backers. The deep state systematically uses these clowns to prepare the "information space" for their plans. ..and they are not kidding around.
ErisGuy:
November 13th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
So… let’s start the war early while India can easily beat Pakistan.
This is a religious war. It will end only with the annihilation of the loser. Let "Allah" be remembered as a myth of a foolish people, like "Zeus."
Charles Cameron:
November 13th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
ErisGuy:
The Wars of Religion in Europe ended without the annihilation of either Catholicism or Protestantism, thanks to the Peace of Westphalia. This “procedural, not substantive” approach (see Scott’s review of Charles Hill) would seem preferable to pre-emptive genocide, no?
{ Brown Pundits } » Zenpundit notices Ghazwa e Hind…:
November 13th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
[…] Ghazwa e Hind is a supposed hadith (weak, even by Hadith standards) that refers to the “raid on India” (a ghazwa is literally a raid…it was a major pre-occupation of the desert Arabs and the holy prophet supposedly took part in something like 86 raids in his lifetime..in the pre-PC days, Muslim writers were proud of this record and liked to refer to these as “battles” though most were very small scale affairs). This hadith is taken as one justification for the coming conquest of India by Islamic forces based in Pakistan. Its main propagandist in Pakistan is Zaid Zaman Hamid (a commentator on my 3QD article claimed that Zaid Hamid is charged with moving the Overton window so that Imran Khan seems reasonably sane..there is probably some truth in this). Zenpundit has taken notice.… […]
omar:
November 13th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Dont miss this analysis: http://www.ghazwatulhind.com/english/English/Ghazwa-e-hind_Article__Care_to_Look_at_the_Hazy_Canvas_of_the_Approaching_Times.html
Lexington Green:
November 14th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Preemptive genocide is theoretically simple, hence its appeal to some people.
Charles Cameron:
November 15th, 2011 at 2:29 am
Lex:
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Yes.
Charles Cameron:
November 15th, 2011 at 2:33 am
Omar:
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Did you get my email of a couple of days ago?
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omar:
August 25th, 2012 at 3:34 am
I got one email, was there an earlier one? Best wishes.
Charles Cameron:
August 25th, 2012 at 4:05 am
Hi Omar —
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No, I was simply confused — as I’ve said in an email just posted. Sorry for the trouble… and I hope we’ll be commenting back and forth again on some fresh topic sometime soon!