Turkey Tweeted, continued
[ by Charles Cameron — continuing from Turkey — keeping an eye out for Gülen ]
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Recommended, by blog-friend Sean Paul Kelley:
"What Happens Now that the Turkish Coup Has Failed?" A question I answer at Ian's place: https://t.co/ByuF3we2HS pic.twitter.com/wwjxfue4ya
— Sean Paul Kelley (@seanpaulkelley) July 20, 2016
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I apologize for the fact that this post and the comments I post to follow it take the form of a stream of tweets. I am hoping for an opportunity to write up a longer-form narrative account of the salient aspects of the coup with special attention to the role of Fethullah Gulen, but in the meantime my earlier post and this one are intended as rapid annotations of some very complex and rapidly breaking events. I hope you will find them helpful as pointers for specific areas that may be of interest.
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#BREAKING Turkish Deputy PM says TR to suspend European Convention on Human Rights for a while like France did pic.twitter.com/2rGqDfRaAM
— CNN Türk ENG (@CNNTURK_ENG) July 21, 2016
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Whoah!
#gulenism vs #isis#FailedCoup pic.twitter.com/ub4vlt4pa0
— serkan inci (@srkninci) July 20, 2016
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The New Turkey #turkey #newturkey #TurkeyCoup #Erdogan pic.twitter.com/sIoycp0sSo
— Aldo Toledo (@aldot29) July 20, 2016
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More than 60.000 people … https://t.co/xK3OgSd9dF
— Patrick Lang (@pat_lang) July 21, 2016
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#Turkey’s Pres. Erdogan turns on former brother-in-arms Gulen, as imam allegedly uses military might to stage coup: https://t.co/5ta4xDWdhg
— Emre Peker (@wsjemre) July 21, 2016
Charles Cameron:
July 21st, 2016 at 3:28 pm
Another blog-friend, Cheryl Rofer:
Grurray:
July 21st, 2016 at 3:42 pm
“First, Atäturk and his brain trust never addressed the bigotry and discrimination shown towards the Alevi (Alawites if you are Suriani or live in Syria), which frequently led to what we would call pogroms. Second, the Kurds. I’m convinced Ataturk ignored the Kurds with a deep and abiding silence as a matter of policy. If he even whispered to someone that they existed then the logical conclusion demanded a state of their own, as Turkey had demanded based on Wilsonian principles of self-determination.”
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After he slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Anatolian Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians followed by the expulsion of millions more, he probably decided he could do whatever he wanted with any other group dumb enough to show dissent. And he was right… for awhile.
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Ataturk seems to me the embodiment of the ‘Great Man Theory’, and he also represents it’s limitations. He used a combination of modern militancy and modern social progressiveness to drag his country into the future. However, the underlying traditional culture didn’t disappear. It stayed dormant, and it now seems to be coming back from its long hibernation.
Charles Cameron:
July 21st, 2016 at 6:29 pm
Pattern: “the return of the repressed”..
carl:
July 21st, 2016 at 9:55 pm
John Schindler strongly suggests the coup attempt was a put up job to allow Erdogan to consolidate power.
Lynn C. Rees:
July 22nd, 2016 at 4:02 pm
Kemal Mustafa, born in Selanik, a city in the Supreme State of the Osmanlis (today’s Thessolaniki, Greece) was ahead of his time. He’d seen the mess created by the principle of self-determination, whose most prominent exponent was Thomas Woodrow Wilson (may his bones be crushed), a past resident of Georgia.
Kemal anticipated another Georgian’s variation on self-determination. “Wilsonian self-determination” was based on the principle that you fit the borders to where people are. “Stalinist self-determination” advised that you fit where people are to the borders.
Stalinist self-determination proved more enduring for Eastern Europe, Greece, and Turkey based on the lukewarm endorsement of the tepid hippy principle “snide-snide is better than war”. Places where the intertwined ideologies of imperialism and cosmopolitanism endured ended up, well, Syria and the Ukraine.
Another demonstration that the principle that “good fences make good neighbors”, while frosty in theory, proves warmly humane in reality despite repeated denunciations of it by snooty intellectuals like the early 20C yanqui poet Robert Frost.
larrydunbar:
July 23rd, 2016 at 12:17 am
“Another demonstration that the principle that “good fences make good neighbors”, while frosty in theory, proves warmly humane in reality despite repeated denunciations of it by snooty intellectuals like the early 20C yanqui poet Robert Frost.”
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Yes but, a few years ago I received a message from God that said the US needs to go dark. At the time, I thought that the message meant that the US needs to cut-back on its energy level. In other words, we need to turn the bulb down a bit, which is very good advice, considering what is going on in the context of climate change.
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However, after realizing, in another context that the the white race is losing its majority status in America and that Trump is a last gasp of air from those of today’s majority status, I had to wonder if my message really meant that white privilege needs to dim somewhat.
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I am just wondering where the borders you speak of are in the context between dark and light? Are they more than geographical (or a line on a map) as those pro-imperialism/cosmopolitanism and Communists seem to feel or are they more intellectual?
Charles Cameron:
July 23rd, 2016 at 5:49 am
These are from a conservative English-language Turkish morning paper’s twitter-feed:
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and let me highlight:
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That last one makes me wonder how close the collaboration for Gülen’s extradition from the US will be..
Charles Cameron:
July 23rd, 2016 at 7:50 pm
And this is something I had been hoping for — a response to the coup from Harun Yahya aka Adnan Oktar, like Fethullah Gülen a student of Bediüzzaman Said Nursî, but one who is supportive of the administration — unlike Gülen:
Charles Cameron:
July 24th, 2016 at 9:36 pm
Mahdism hasn’t come up much in reference to Gulen and the coup, but here we go:
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That’s in ref to:
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Of interest from the same source:
Charles Cameron:
July 25th, 2016 at 4:28 pm
It just goes on.. on the mil-pol side:
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on the Gulen side:
Charles Cameron:
July 25th, 2016 at 4:52 pm
And h/t Tim Furnish:
Grurray:
July 25th, 2016 at 6:57 pm
Well, Izmir has been known to burn in the past over political issues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_fire_of_Smyrna#Events
Charles Cameron:
July 28th, 2016 at 4:18 pm
And yes, there seems to be a Gulenist sympathy at work, though the connection is not explicit.
Charles Cameron:
July 29th, 2016 at 2:34 pm
Ripples:
Charles Cameron:
July 29th, 2016 at 3:49 pm
And:
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Charles Cameron:
July 31st, 2016 at 2:41 pm
Clint Watts:
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Charles Cameron:
August 1st, 2016 at 9:09 pm
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Charles Cameron:
August 4th, 2016 at 3:12 pm
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Charles Cameron:
August 4th, 2016 at 11:08 pm
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Charles Cameron:
August 23rd, 2016 at 12:18 am