{"id":3318,"date":"2010-01-28T06:19:01","date_gmt":"2010-01-28T06:19:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=3318"},"modified":"2010-01-28T06:21:06","modified_gmt":"2010-01-28T06:21:06","slug":"follow-ups-to-the-follow-up","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=3318","title":{"rendered":"Follow Ups to the Follow Up&#8230;."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>One of the rewards of blogging is to set a discussion in motion and\u00a0watch the debate unfold. Here&#8217;s two more well worth your time.<\/p>\n<p>For those unfamiliar with <strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.projectwhitehorse.com\/\">Project White Horse<\/a><\/strong>, it is a site moderated by <strong>Ed Beakley<\/strong>, deeply\u00a0influenced by the ideas of<strong> John Boyd<\/strong>, dedicated to critical inquiry as to how American first response, security and defense<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>can become more\u00a0adaptive and resilient in the face of emerging threats. If you were a\u00a0fan of <strong>Dr. Chet Richards&#8217;<\/strong> now defunct\u00a0<strong>DNI<\/strong>, I strongly suggest that <strong>Project White Horse<\/strong> should become a regular read<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Beakley<\/strong> at <strong>Project White Horse<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a rel=\"bookmark\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.projectwhitehorse.com\/2010\/01\/27\/eei27-what-kind-of-war-first-addendum-the-post-coin-era-is-here\/\">EEI#27 &#8220;What kind of War?&#8221; &#8211; First Addendum &#8211; The Post-COIN Era is Here<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>&#8230;.The Post-COIN article has received significant discussion on other blogs, critical review, and comment including from author of The Pentagon&#8217;s New Map, Thomas P.M. Barnett. One line of reasoning introduced by Barnett is the degree to which COIN and the debate and decisions have impact on the larger defense and security issues facing DOD and the nation.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>In\u00a0 preliminary articles (EEI&#8217;s <\/strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.projectwhitehorse.com\/2009\/07\/24\/eei-6-a-discontinued-f-22\/\"><strong>#6<\/strong><\/a><strong>, <\/strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.projectwhitehorse.com\/2009\/07\/25\/7-eei-terrorism-terrorists-still\/\"><strong>#7<\/strong><\/a><strong>, <\/strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.projectwhitehorse.com\/2009\/08\/08\/eei-10\/\"><strong>#10<\/strong><\/a><strong>) to the &#8220;what kind of war&#8221; series, the point was made that as we move in time from 9-11, the \u00a0force structure and technical direction decisions made by and for DOD will impact decisions on risk mitigation, risk management, and \u00a0level of risk acceptance that the homeland security, public safety and first responder organizations nation-wide will have left on their plate. Understanding these issues, it would seem then , is essential and critical for citizens, private sector and local government alike.\u00a0 In that sense, to what degree counter insurgency, COIN, is considered method, tactic, tool or core to strategic thinking has significant ramifications &#8211;<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong><u>Gates is attempting to change not just what the Pentagon is buying, but its fundamental understanding of what it is procuring weapon systems for and why. Cold War-era weapons with such focused utility as the F-22 are not what he believes the Pentagon needs with an uncertain future&#8230; Gates is attempting a more fundamental reorientation of the entire Pentagon, with greater emphasis on the current campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan, \u2018hybrid wars&#8217; and \u2018fourth-generation&#8217; warfare.<\/u> (STRATFOR analysis on the F-22 decision)<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/pundita.blogspot.com\/\"><strong>Pundita<\/strong> <\/a><\/p>\n<p>While I linked to Miss Pundita previously, newer readers here\u00a0may not be familiar with her (as I noted from <strong>Madhu&#8217;s<\/strong> enthusiastic comment about her last post). Pundita specializes in inside-the-beltway diplomatic and economic commentary, laced heavily with political scuttlebutt and graceful rhetorical punches to the kidneys of the State Department.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/pundita.blogspot.com\/2010\/01\/afghan-war-mcchrystals-choice-and.html\">Afghanistan War: McChrystal&#8217;s Choice, and an updated version of &#8220;The Bridge on the River Kwai&#8221;<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230;..<strong>Taliban are not Viet Cong<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>The Italian bribery scandal folds into the story of widescale <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/amconmag.com\/article\/2009\/nov\/01\/00020\/\"><strong>bribery<\/strong><\/a><strong> payments to the Taliban so they won&#8217;t attack ISAF supply routes. Shortly after <em>The Nation<\/em> <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thenation.com\/doc\/20091130\/roston\"><strong>published<\/strong><\/a><strong> a jaw-dropping investigative piece on the bribery, Rufus Phillips told John Batchelor that the same thing happened during the Vietnam War, that U.S. troops paid Viet Cong not to attack U.S. supply convoys so &#8220;those people down in Washington&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t work themselves into a lather about similar arrangements with the Taliban.<\/strong><strong> Beginning in 1954 Mr Phillips, who&#8217;s a frequent guest on John&#8217;s nightly Afghanistan War panel, &#8220;spent almost 10 years doing undercover and pacification work for the CIA and the U.S. Agency for International Development in South Vietnam,&#8221; according to the publisher&#8217;s review of his <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Why-Vietnam-Matters-Eyewitness-Account\/dp\/1591146747\"><strong>book about Vietnam<\/strong><\/a><strong>, and he remained plugged into the Vietnam War throughout.(1) So I have no reason to dispute his contention.<\/strong><strong>However, I don&#8217;t recall ever hearing that the Viet Cong shared proceeds from their moonlighting with people who plotted and carried off catastrophic attacks on the U.S. homeland. One problem with ISAF forces and their contractors bribing the Taliban to guard supply routes is that they never know whether they&#8217;re inadvertently donating to Pakistan&#8217;s military and al Qaeda. Yet evidentially the tack will be on the table during Thursday&#8217;s summit in London. From yesterday&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ft.com\/cms\/s\/0\/ed47bb24-0a19-11df-8b23-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1\"><strong>Q&amp;A in the <em>Financial Times<\/em><\/strong><\/a><strong> about McChrystal&#8217;s openness to negotiating with the Taliban: <\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Q: Can Taliban fighters simply be bribed?<\/strong><strong>A: Maybe. Western countries gathering in London for a conference on Thursday will pledge funds for a scheme outlined by Hamid Karzai, the president, to try to lure Taliban foot soldiers with job offers. Details remain sketchy. Insurgents may simply accept the incentives then return to the fight. The central problem remains: the Taliban may simply believe it can outlast the west.<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Even assuming that the Taliban could be bribed, and that they&#8217;d stick to their agreement, this does not address the biggest issues. The overriding issue is how to prevent the Taliban from using force of arms to take over Kabul and launch a massacre of non-Taliban Afghanis if U.S. forces decamp. <\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Finally, I would like to thank <strong>Dave Schuler<\/strong> of <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/theglitteringeye.com\/\"><strong>The Glittering Eye<\/strong> <\/a>for nominating <a rel=\"bookmark\" href=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=3315\" title=\"Permanent Link: The Post-COIN Era is Here\">The Post-COIN Era is Here<\/a>\u00a0 at <strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.watcherofweasels.org\/obamas-first-state-of-the-weasel-address\/\">The Watcher&#8217;s Council<\/a><\/strong>. Much appreciated Dave!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of the rewards of blogging is to set a discussion in motion and\u00a0watch the debate unfold. Here&#8217;s two more well worth your time. For those unfamiliar with Project White Horse, it is a site moderated by Ed Beakley, deeply\u00a0influenced by the ideas of John Boyd, dedicated to critical inquiry as to how American first [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[321,2,20],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3318","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-blogosphere","category-blogroll","category-coin"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3318","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3318"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3318\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3318"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3318"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3318"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}