{"id":3526,"date":"2010-09-04T03:55:25","date_gmt":"2010-09-04T03:55:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=3526"},"modified":"2010-09-04T03:55:25","modified_gmt":"2010-09-04T03:55:25","slug":"rofer-at-chicago-boyz","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=3526","title":{"rendered":"Rofer at Chicago Boyz"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"550\" src=\"http:\/\/www.myartprints.co.uk\/kunst\/briton_riviere\/daniel_in_the_lions.jpg\" height=\"355\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Left of center Blogfriend <strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/phronesisaical.blogspot.com\/\">Cheryl Rofer<\/a><\/strong> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/chicagoboyz.net\/archives\/15445.html\">cross-posts <\/a>at conservative-libertarian <strong>Chicago Boyz<\/strong> to debate <strong>Lexington Green:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a rel=\"bookmark\" href=\"http:\/\/chicagoboyz.net\/archives\/15445.html\" title=\"Permanent Link to Others' Shoes\">Others&#8217; Shoes<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Lexington Green is politically conservative, but he and others at Chicago Boyz have been willing to put up with me; I respect them, too, because they think out what they&#8217;re about. I think they actually listen to me, too, even as we disagree.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>So when Green&#8217;s post was endorsed by Glenn Beck, I realized that this might be a way to get into his admirers&#8217; minds. Green begins with a John Boyd hierarchy that I haven&#8217;t spent much time with; this is another of my departures from my friends at Chicago Boyz. But I suspect that that part can be skipped with little loss. He&#8217;s saying that Beck is taking a broad view, going up a couple of levels.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>But I don&#8217;t feel like I get the rest of it. I can do a sentence-by-sentence exegesis, but that wouldn&#8217;t be quite right. I&#8217;m trying to get into Green&#8217;s and Beck&#8217;s heads, not dispute them. But there are barriers. Since I wrote that, Green has added another update, which makes some things clearer. I&#8217;ll get to the update later.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>One is that so much of what Beck offers is <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.politifact.com\/truth-o-meter\/article\/2010\/aug\/27\/glenn-beck-faces-truth-o-meter\/\"><strong>factually flawed<\/strong><\/a><strong>. Green is an intelligent person; how can he miss that? Perhaps because the bigger things he talks about in the post are more important to him. But those factual flaws are a barrier to me. A lack of fact is a poor foundation for anything to come after.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>What Green likes is Beck&#8217;s creation of a large narrative.<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Beck is building solidarity and cultural confidence in America, its Constitution, its military heritage, its freedom&#8230;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Beck is creating positive themes of unity and patriotism and freedom and independence which are above mere political or policy choices, but not irrelevant to them. <\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>This sort of narrative is indeed attractive; I have wished for a vision that can unite Americans, that would provide a solidarity that we can rest on, a positive vision.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>But there is a double-mindedness to Green&#8217;s analysis that is another barrier to me. I agree that we need unifying themes for us as Americans. Period. Unfortunately, it&#8217;s easy to unify around an enemy, and, while talking about solidarity and unity, Green develops an enemy, &#8220;the Overlords&#8221;, and a sense of aggrievedness. Since &#8220;the Overlords&#8221; are Americans too, that sense cannot be the basis for unity. But that duality is in Beck&#8217;s words too: he condemns President Obama for a cult of victimization, and then tells his followers how victimized they&#8217;ve been. And for him and for Palin, there are very definitely an &#8220;us&#8221; and a &#8220;them.&#8221; Apparently I am one of &#8220;them.&#8221;<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Read the rest <strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/phronesisaical.blogspot.com\/\">here<\/a><\/strong> or <strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/chicagoboyz.net\/archives\/15445.html\">here<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Left of center Blogfriend Cheryl Rofer cross-posts at conservative-libertarian Chicago Boyz to debate Lexington Green: Others&#8217; Shoes Lexington Green is politically conservative, but he and others at Chicago Boyz have been willing to put up with me; I respect them, too, because they think out what they&#8217;re about. I think they actually listen to me, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[361,321,50,222,78,336,49,600,562,218,187,108],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3526","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-america","category-blogosphere","category-chicago-boyz","category-conservativism","category-ideas","category-intellectuals","category-lexington-green","category-liberalism","category-perception","category-philosophy","category-politics","category-rofer"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3526","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3526"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3526\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3526"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3526"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3526"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}