{"id":4044,"date":"2011-06-06T05:39:56","date_gmt":"2011-06-06T05:39:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=4044"},"modified":"2011-06-06T05:39:56","modified_gmt":"2011-06-06T05:39:56","slug":"with-greco-two-views-of-toledo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=4044","title":{"rendered":"With Greco: two views of Toledo"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[ by <strong>Charles Cameron<\/strong> &#8212; perception, painting, pre-modern, modern, post-modern, heaven, sky, simulation, John Donne, El Greco ]<\/p>\n<p>.<\/p>\n<p>It is <strong>Sunday<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>I find it powerfully interesting that the sky as perceived by painters (our &#8220;seers&#8221; par excellence) used to be filled with supernatural beings and is currently filled with<strong> <\/strong>natural ones &#8212; a clear sign that <strong>our culture has effectively  moved<\/strong> from what one might call <strong>a theological vision of the world<\/strong> to <strong>a meteorological one<\/strong> (with astronomical trimmings under a clear sky)\u2026<\/p>\n<p>And I see that transition captured very precisely in four words, when<strong> John Donne<\/strong> writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>At the round earths imagin&#8217;d corners, blow<br \/>\nYour trumpets, Angells, and arise, arise<br \/>\nFrom death, you numberlesse infinities<br \/>\nOf soules, and to your scattred bodies goe\u2026<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The &#8220;round earth&#8221; is that of modern science, the &#8220;imagin&#8217;d corners&#8221; those of pre-modern maps \u2013 and angelology.<\/p>\n<p>*<\/p>\n<p>I have to admit, therefore, that I was surprised yesterday evening to come across an <strong>El Greco<\/strong> painting of Toledo that featured the blessed <strong>Virgin Mary<\/strong> over the city.<\/p>\n<p>I have long been familiar with his better known <em><strong>View of Toledo<\/strong><\/em>, which is entirely naturalistic unless you want to consider storm-clouds as portents of a divine presence &#8212;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/quo-sky-over-toledo.jpg\" title=\"quo-sky-over-toledo.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/quo-sky-over-toledo.jpg\" alt=\"quo-sky-over-toledo.jpg\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>but the second of these images, from the <em><strong>View and Plan of Toledo<\/strong><\/em>, came as quite a surprise\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Here is a detail of the Virgin taken from it, to illustrate the point:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/el-greco_view-and-plan-of-toledo_detalhe2_c1610.jpg\" title=\"el-greco_view-and-plan-of-toledo_detalhe2_c1610.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/el-greco_view-and-plan-of-toledo_detalhe2_c1610.jpg\" alt=\"el-greco_view-and-plan-of-toledo_detalhe2_c1610.jpg\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>*<\/p>\n<p>El Greco is famous for painting heaven-and-earth as a continuum \u2013 his great masterpiece, the <em><strong>Burial of Count Orgaz<\/strong><\/em>, catches the release of the soul from its bodily sheath as directly as Donne&#8217;s &#8220;to your scattred bodies goe&#8221; does to the return of those souls to corporeality at the General Resurrection:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/entierro-del-conde-de-orgaz-sm.jpg\" title=\"entierro-del-conde-de-orgaz-sm.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/entierro-del-conde-de-orgaz-sm.jpg\" alt=\"entierro-del-conde-de-orgaz-sm.jpg\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>*<\/p>\n<p>And yet El Greco, like Donne, sees both \u2013 Toledo under storm-clouds, Toledo under the shelter of the blessed Virgin\u2026<\/p>\n<p>But there is more here, in this extraordinary painting. There is a <strong>map of the territory<\/strong>\u2026<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/quo-greco-toledo.jpg\" title=\"quo-greco-toledo.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/quo-greco-toledo.jpg\" alt=\"quo-greco-toledo.jpg\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>*<\/p>\n<p>If I could say in a nutshell what <strong>post-modern<\/strong> is, I would say it is <strong>recursive<\/strong>.  It recognizes our perceived reality to be a simulation, and is thus always playing with maps and models, as <strong>Shakespeare <\/strong>was when he penned the words &#8220;All the world&#8217;s a stage&#8221; to be spoken in a theater whose sign and motto was &#8220;Totus mundus agit histrionem&#8221; \u2013 the whole world enacts a play.<\/p>\n<p>Think of <strong>Hofstadter<\/strong>&#8216;s <strong><em>Godel Escher Bach<\/em><\/strong>.  Of <strong>Escher<\/strong> himself, and his image of himself holding his own small world in a glass sphere in his hand\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Think of <strong>Korzybski<\/strong>, and his dictum: <strong><em>the map is not the territory<\/em><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Think of <strong>Gregory Bateson<\/strong>, who wrote:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>We say the map is different from the territory. But what is the territory? Operationally, somebody went out with a retina or a measuring stick and made representations which were then put on paper. What is on the paper map is a representation of what was in the retinal representation of the man who made the map; and as you push the question back, what you find is an infinite regress, an infinite series of maps. The territory never gets in at all. [\u2026] Always, the process of representation will filter it out so that the mental world is only maps of maps, ad infinitum.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Astoundingly, presciently \u2013 prophetically? \u2013 El Greco is already alluding to this, around 1610, in his <em><strong>View and Plan of Toledo<\/strong><\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/11777-view-and-plan-of-toledo-el-greco-sm.jpg\" title=\"11777-view-and-plan-of-toledo-el-greco-sm.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/11777-view-and-plan-of-toledo-el-greco-sm.jpg\" alt=\"11777-view-and-plan-of-toledo-el-greco-sm.jpg\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>*<\/p>\n<p>El Greco&#8217;s <em><strong>Burial of Count Orgaz<\/strong><\/em> is in the <strong>Church of Santo Tom\u00e9<\/strong> in Toledo.<\/p>\n<p>El Greco&#8217;s <em><strong>View and Plan of Toledo<\/strong><\/em> is in the <strong>Museo de El Greco<\/strong>, Toledo.<\/p>\n<p>Here is the complete text of Donne&#8217;s sonnet:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>    At the round earths imagin&#8217;d corners, blow<br \/>\nYour trumpets, Angells, and arise, arise<br \/>\nFrom death, you numberlesse infinities<br \/>\nOf soules, and to your scattred bodies goe,<br \/>\nAll whom the flood did, and fire shall o&#8217;erthrow,<br \/>\nAll whom warre, dearth, age, agues, tyrannies,<br \/>\nDespaire, law, chance, hath slaine, and you whose eyes,<br \/>\nShall behold God, and never tast deaths woe.<br \/>\nBut let them sleepe, Lord, and mee mourne a space,<br \/>\nFor, if above all these, my sinnes abound,<br \/>\n&#8216;Tis late to aske abundance of thy grace,<br \/>\nWhen wee are there; here on this lowly ground,<br \/>\nTeach mee how to repent; for that&#8217;s as good<br \/>\nAs if thou&#8217;hadst seal&#8217;d my pardon, with thy blood.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>El Greco&#8217;s <em><strong>View of Toledo<\/strong><\/em> is in the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.metmuseum.org\/works_of_art\/collection_database\/european_paintings\/view_of_toledo_el_greco_domenikos_theotokopoulos\/objectview.aspx?OID=110001017\"><strong>Metropolitan Museum of Art<\/strong><\/a> in New York:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/29_1006.jpg\" title=\"29_1006.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/29_1006.jpg\" alt=\"29_1006.jpg\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here we find no blessed Virgin, no angels with their final trumpets &#8212; and yet this painting can be viewed as analogous to his <strong><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.metmuseum.org\/works_of_art\/collection_database\/european_paintings\/the_vision_of_saint_john_el_greco_domenikos_theotokopoulos\/objectview.aspx?OID=110001018\">Vision of Saint John<\/a><\/em><\/strong> and the opening of the Fifth Seal &#8212; which owes its power to its &#8220;otherworldly stormy light&#8221; &#8212; and thus seen as yet another <a href=\"http:\/\/www.artyfactory.com\/art_appreciation\/landscapes\/townscapes\/el_greco\/el_greco.htm\">apocalyptic scene<\/a>, one which &#8220;recalls St. John&#8217;s vision of the New Jerusalem in the Book of Revelations &#8230; a landscape of unearthly power and drama: a dialogue between heaven and earth conducted appropriately by the cathedral spire&#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong> <\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ by Charles Cameron &#8212; perception, painting, pre-modern, modern, post-modern, heaven, sky, simulation, John Donne, El Greco ] . It is Sunday. I find it powerfully interesting that the sky as perceived by painters (our &#8220;seers&#8221; par excellence) used to be filled with supernatural beings and is currently filled with natural ones &#8212; a clear [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[622,385,526,497,21,215,113,294,23,462,562,436,533,523,63,1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4044","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-apocalyptic","category-art-history","category-charles-cameron","category-christianity","category-creativity","category-culture","category-framing","category-historiography","category-insight","category-metacognition","category-perception","category-psychology","category-religion","category-theology","category-thoughts-illustrated","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4044","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=4044"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4044\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=4044"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=4044"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=4044"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}