{"id":4161,"date":"2011-07-13T18:07:20","date_gmt":"2011-07-13T18:07:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=4161"},"modified":"2011-07-13T20:15:31","modified_gmt":"2011-07-13T20:15:31","slug":"carl-prines-rebuttal-to-be-honest-who-actually-read-fm-3-24","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=4161","title":{"rendered":"Carl Prine&#8217;s Rebuttal to &#8220;Be honest: Who actually read FM 3-24?&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>My amigo and <strong>SWJ News<\/strong> co-columinst<strong> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/wingsoveriraq.com\/\">Crispin Burke<\/a><\/strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/wingsoveriraq.com\/\"> <\/a>recently put forth a very interesting and\u00a0provocative\u00a0jeremiad &#8220;<a rel=\"bookmark\" href=\"http:\/\/wingsoveriraq.com\/2011\/07\/09\/be-honest-who-actually-read-fm-3-24\/\" title=\"Permalink to Be honest:  Who actually read FM 3-24?\"><strong>Be honest: Who actually read FM 3-24?<\/strong><\/a>&#8221; and one of his targets, journalist and Iraq war\u00a0veteran <strong>Carl Prine<\/strong>, has been duly provoked,\u00a0Prine has responded in great detail yesterday\u00a0at <strong>Line of Departure<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p><strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lineofdeparture.com\/2011\/07\/12\/starbuck-is-wrong\/\">Starbuck is wrong<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p sizcache=\"0\" sizset=\"15\"><strong>Starbuck is wrong.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p sizcache=\"0\" sizset=\"16\"><strong>And in<\/strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/wingsoveriraq.com\/2011\/07\/09\/be-honest-who-actually-read-fm-3-24\/\"><strong> his drive to keep getting it wrong<\/strong><\/a><strong>, he&#8217;s trying to rewrite FM 3-24, the military&#8217;s chief doctrinal publication on counterinsurgency.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>But that just makes him more wrong.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>He&#8217;s wrong about me.\u00a0 He&#8217;s wrong about what I believe.\u00a0 He&#8217;s wrong about the literature that informs FM 3-24.\u00a0 He&#8217;s wrong about what the manual says and he&#8217;s wrong about what it left out.\u00a0 He&#8217;s wrong about historiography.\u00a0 He&#8217;s wrong about how a caste of top officers and diplomats came to understand &#8220;strategy&#8221; in the wake of the occupation of Iraq.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Let&#8217;s help get him right.\u00a0 Or, at least, less wrong.\u00a0 He&#8217;s a good man.\u00a0 We need to turn him and ensure he quits taking shots at me I don&#8217;t deserve!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8230;.The problem to anyone who studies Malaya, however, is that since the publication of the memoirs of exiled communist leader Chin Peng a dozen years ago, we now know that the civic, military and political policies under the British &#8220;hearts and minds&#8221; approach <\/strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lineofdeparture.com\/2011\/04\/12\/iron-claws-attack\/\"><strong>didn&#8217;t defeat the revolution<\/strong><\/a><strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p sizcache=\"0\" sizset=\"26\"><strong>Instead, the revolt was irreparably <\/strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Dialogues-Chin-Peng-Malayan-Communist\/dp\/9971692872\/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1310485098&amp;sr=1-3\"><strong>broken by brutal operations against the guerrillas<\/strong><\/a><strong>, then a most coercive &#8220;screwing down the people&#8221; phase that dispossessed or killed thousands of Chinese, followed by draconian &#8220;population control&#8221; measures that, as Peng put it, starved the guerrillas in the bush because they snapped their rat lines and cut off their rice.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>The &#8220;hearts and minds&#8221; initiatives designed to bring medical care, education, social welfare and other aid to the resettled Chinese and woo them to the colonial government&#8217;s side from 1952 &#8211; 1954 didn&#8217;t crack the back of the insurgency, a point now pretty much beyond dispute.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p sizcache=\"0\" sizset=\"27\"><strong>Why?\u00a0 Because the previous &#8220;hearts and minds&#8221; claptrap as the cause of pacification in Malaya <\/strong><a modo=\"false\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Defence-Decolonisation-South-East-Asia-Singapore\/dp\/0700713034\"><strong>was contradicted by the Malayan Chinese<\/strong><\/a><strong>, most especially those guerrillas who took up arms against the British regime!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>You know, the people targeted by a population-centric counterinsurgency.\u00a0 The people most counter-insurgents in their pop-centric fantasies almost never discuss except as abstractions, the human yarn wefted and warped by their long needles of war.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>One finds &#8220;Hearts and Minds&#8221; prominently mentioned 11 times in Dr John Nagl&#8217;s valentine to Templer and colonial Malaya, <em>Eating Soup with a Knife<\/em>; to Nagl it&#8217;s the stuff of police services and economic development and whatnot with the psychology of the people being the center of gravity those reforms are meant to snatch.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>And Nagl would like the best burglar of hearts and minds to be a learning, nimble and evolving military-political institution such as the U.S. Army.\u00a0 It&#8217;s no small wonder, then, that Nagl became a dominant voice in FM 3-24 and that many of this thoughts in <em>Eating Soup<\/em> came to dominate the manual, too.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Or, as the introduction to FM 3-24 echoes soupily, &#8220;by focusing on efforts to secure the safety and support of the local populace, and through a concerted effort to truly function as learning organizations, the Army and Marine Corps can defeat their insurgent enemies.&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>This is mere euphemism and wasn&#8217;t worth the ink that it cost taxpayers to print it.\u00a0 But it sets the stage for the rest of FM 3-24, which follows a hearts and minds template that Starbuck doesn&#8217;t apparently realize is borrowed from mid-century&#8230;.<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ouch. Note to self: if I ever decide to square off against Carl, I will make sure to do my homework. Read the rest <strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lineofdeparture.com\/2011\/07\/12\/starbuck-is-wrong\/\">here<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>First, I would point out to readers here for whom some of this in both essays is inside baseball, that the tone is less harsh and the substantive distance between Burke and Prine less great in\u00a0 the comments sections of both blogs than it first appears in reading their posts. It is a healthy, no-holds barred exchange and not a flame war.<\/p>\n<p>Secondly,\u00a0it is an important exchange, tying\u00a0together <strong>COIN <\/strong>disputes\u00a0over theory, historiography, empirical evidence, operational and tactical &#8220;lessons learned&#8221;, strategy, policy (Clausewitzian sense), politics (colloquial sense) and personalities that have raged for five years across military journals, think tanks, the media, the bureaucracy and the blogosphere. In\u00a0some ways, these essays can serve as a summative of the debate. I say &#8220;some ways&#8221;, because what is the most important element or effect\u00a0of America&#8217;s romance with COIN will differ markedly depending on whom has the floor. My own beef is not with doing COIN, it is with not doing <strong><em>strategy<\/em><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>As Crispin and Carl&#8217;s\u00a0vignette about <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Creighton_Abrams\"><strong>General Creighton Abrams<\/strong> <\/a>demonstrated,\u00a0American historians are still having\u00a0savagely bitter arguments about the war in <strong>Vietnam<\/strong>. For that matter, everyone who lived through the era did and still does. It is a wound that never seems to heal and has crippled our politics to this day, even as the\u00a0veterans of Vietnam\u00a0now turn to gray.<\/p>\n<p>The 21st century COIN wars\u00a0have not ripped American society\u00a0apart down to the soul the way Vietnam did. As with the <strong>Korean War<\/strong>, the soldiers and marines in <strong>Afghanistan<\/strong> and <strong>Iraq<\/strong>\u00a0fought bravely, at times desperately, to a general and mild\u00a0approbation back home that\u00a0sometimes looked a lot like indifference. Even the anti-war protestors mostly made a point of stating they were not against the troops, the venemous public malice of the 1960&#8217;s <strong>New Left<\/strong>\u00a0radicals in the 2000&#8217;s was a property only of the lunatic fringe.<\/p>\n<p>But COIN itself will be a historical argument without end.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>My amigo and SWJ News co-columinst Crispin Burke recently put forth a very interesting and\u00a0provocative\u00a0jeremiad &#8220;Be honest: Who actually read FM 3-24?&#8221; and one of his targets, journalist and Iraq war\u00a0veteran Carl Prine, has been duly provoked,\u00a0Prine has responded in great detail yesterday\u00a0at Line of Departure: Starbuck is wrong Starbuck is wrong. 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