{"id":43297,"date":"2015-02-04T08:47:16","date_gmt":"2015-02-04T08:47:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=43297"},"modified":"2015-02-04T09:10:49","modified_gmt":"2015-02-04T09:10:49","slug":"on-fire","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=43297","title":{"rendered":"On fire"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[ by <strong>Charles Cameron<\/strong> &#8212; there&#8217;s rather more going on in the burning of the Jordanian pilot than I can handle &#8212; here are some of today&#8217;s relevant highlights ]<br \/>\n.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll start and close with <strong>JM Berger<\/strong>, who has two of the wisest contextual comments of the day to offer us: <\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>ISIS is so eager to turn back the clock that they sped past khawarij to jahiliyya.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; J.M. Berger (@intelwire) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intelwire\/status\/562814034110844928\">February 4, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That&#8217;s the context as I see it, though you&#8217;ll note that <strong>Tim Furnish<\/strong> differs, later in this post.<\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>Two tweets give us Qur&#8217;anic justification for and against the use of fire in punishment:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>The justification for burning Moaath is taken from Surat An-Nahl according to Minbr al-Taheed wl Jihad users. <a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/pgvWGm9PLg\">pic.twitter.com\/pgvWGm9PLg<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Zaid Benjamin (@zaidbenjamin) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/zaidbenjamin\/status\/562663466121842688\">February 3, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>The Qur&#39;an curses those who burned Christians alive (85:1-7). Can&#39;t imagine its author would be jazzed about doing same to Muslims.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Will McCants (@will_mccants) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/will_mccants\/status\/562665239846871040\">February 3, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The Quranic verse <strong>Zaid Benjamin<\/strong> quotes is given in English in his tweet. The first seven verses of Sura 85, quoted by <strong>Will McCants<\/strong>, read in the Arberry translation:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>By heaven of the constellations, by the promised day, by the witness and the witnessed, slain were the Men of the Pit, the fire abounding in fuel, when they were seated over it and were themselves witnesses of what they did with the believers.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I would really like to see a detailed scholarly post commenting on McCants&#8217; reading of Qur&#8217;an 85.1-7, with or without notes on related ahadith and tafsir.<\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>Two tweets offer ahadith related to the case:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" lang=\"en\">\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ground_glass\">@ground_glass<\/a> Here&#8230; <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/will_mccants\">@will_mccants<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/3eyRhQfa4E\">pic.twitter.com\/3eyRhQfa4E<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Hameed (@SheikhThingsUp) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/SheikhThingsUp\/status\/562737617134174208\">February 3, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" lang=\"en\">\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/SheikhThingsUp\">@SheikhThingsUp<\/a> and yet this hadith exists as well. are they not contradictory? <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/will_mccants\">@will_mccants<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/hvFi2iB0On\">pic.twitter.com\/hvFi2iB0On<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Christopher Dawson (@ground_glass) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ground_glass\/status\/562748152437276674\">February 3, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>Two from Tim Furnish:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/ISIS?src=hash\">#ISIS<\/a> cites ISLAMIC doctrine of shifa&#39; al-sudur (&quot;retribution&quot;) &amp; <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/IbnTaymiyya?src=hash\">#IbnTaymiyya<\/a> on bodily desecration&#8211;so once again Islamic norms followed.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Timothy Furnish, PhD (@Occidentaljihad) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Occidentaljihad\/status\/562821803673133057\">February 4, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>&quot;<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/ISIS?src=hash\">#ISIS<\/a> &amp; <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/Islamic?src=hash\">#Islamic<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/Immolation?src=hash\">#Immolation<\/a>:&quot; my analysis of the brutal burning of the Jordanian pilot; <a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/qCGXc00Jwe\">http:\/\/t.co\/qCGXc00Jwe<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Timothy Furnish, PhD (@Occidentaljihad) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Occidentaljihad\/status\/562839523319877634\">February 4, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here is Tim Furnish&#8217;s commentary, from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mahdiwatch.org\/2015.02.01_arch.html#1423026111721\">MahdiWatch<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>ISIS gruesomely burned alive Jordanian Air Force officer Mu`adh al-Kasabeh not simply to horrify or intimidate, but rather in order to exact retribution for the \u201cCrusaders\u201d and their Coalition allies dropping bombs and launching missiles that consumed Muslims (especially, allegedly, children) in flames.  The Islamic <a href=\"https:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=TXzDKAMD13EC&#038;pg=PA127&#038;lpg=PA127&#038;dq=shifa%27+al+sudur,+quran&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=DquhG6f1lv&#038;sig=0FRpgSdukxfgvrsXhpfaaZ02xag&#038;hl=en&#038;sa=X&#038;ei=K4nRVPBSw66CBLL5gIAP&#038;ved=0CDwQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&#038;q=shifa'%20al%20sudur%2C%20quran&#038;f=false\">doctrine of <em>shifa\u2019 al-sudur<\/em><\/a> (the name of the video, note) was derived from <a href=\"http:\/\/quran.com\/2\/179\">Sura al-Baqarah [II]:179<\/a> and its idea of \u201clegal retribution\u201d which is supposed to lead to reconciliation between Muslims once scores have been settled in like fashion\u2014between, presumably, ISIS and the Muslim nations (Jordan, UAE, KSA, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain and Oman) named in the video as helping the \u201cCrusaders.\u201d  So, in this mindset, al-Kasabeh had to burn&#8211;not simply be decapitated.  <em>Lex talionis<\/em> according to Allah.  <\/p>\n<p>ISIS also adduces a saying from the famous Sunni cleric Ibn Taymiyya (d. 1328) that desecrating bodies is allowable if it horrifies (unbelieving) enemies into ceasing their aggression against Muslims\u2014or, in this case, against the Islamic State proper. <\/p>\n<p>So, just as with beheadings and enslavement of &#8220;pagan&#8221; women, ISIS is acting in a supremely, albeit brutally, atavistic Islamic fashion (not a nihilistic one, as the President keeps saying).  Only when we admit that will we (Westerners and Muslims) be on the path to refuting and eradicating ISIS.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mark Safranski<\/strong>, my gracious host and the publisher of this blog, refers us to the ICRC:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>If Jordan executes all ISIS prisoners for the ghoulish murder of Moath al-Ksasbah, it is a legitimate reprisal <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/ONZtXfaVfH\">https:\/\/t.co\/ONZtXfaVfH<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; mark safranski (@zenpundit) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/zenpundit\/status\/562655056953352193\">February 3, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Mr Orange<\/strong> suggests there have been previous burnings by ISI, the predecessor to IS \/ Daesh:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>Many don&#39;t remember but when <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/IS?src=hash\">#IS<\/a> was still <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/ISI?src=hash\">#ISI<\/a> they burned men alive. The video was never released but leaked via captured video material.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Mr. Orange (@Mr0rangetracker) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Mr0rangetracker\/status\/562682396135682049\">February 3, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It seems to me there&#8217;s room for plenty of research as between international lawyers and experts in the history of Islamic exegesis&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>Three tweets regarding the <strong>Jordanian <\/strong>response:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>Mosques across <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/Jordan?src=hash\">#Jordan<\/a> to say a special prayer for Moaz Kasasbeh at noon tomorrow. Church bells will also ring in his honor. <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/ISIS?src=hash\">#ISIS<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Jon Williams (@WilliamsJon) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/WilliamsJon\/status\/562754338423312385\">February 3, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-cards=\"hidden\" lang=\"en\">\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/Xumlhn1Z6l\">http:\/\/t.co\/Xumlhn1Z6l<\/a>&#10;&#10;KABUL: (Middle East Press) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/Jordan?src=hash\">#Jordan<\/a> Executes <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/Sajida?src=hash\">#Sajida<\/a> al-Rishawi and <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/Ziad?src=hash\">#Ziad<\/a> al-Karbouli <a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/ABjZXhlZfk\">pic.twitter.com\/ABjZXhlZfk<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; MEP English (@mepenglish) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mepenglish\/status\/562872079725658114\">February 4, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>&quot;The only problem we&#39;re going to have is running out of fuel and bullets.&quot; King Abdullah of <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/Jordan?src=hash\">#Jordan<\/a> warns <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/IS?src=hash\">#IS<\/a> filth: <a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/N18ap5uKPm\">http:\/\/t.co\/N18ap5uKPm<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nu&#39;man El-Bakri (@numanelbakri) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/numanelbakri\/status\/562863179467079681\">February 4, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>Common sense: this, from <strong>Daveed Gartenstein-Ross<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>This year has highlighted the many thorny problems we confront. I wish the public sphere were less incompetent at considering hard questions<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; D. Gartenstein-Ross (@DaveedGR) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DaveedGR\/status\/562683658264653826\">February 3, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and <strong>John Horgan<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>Think before you tweet images of Jordanian pilot Muaz al-Kassaba being burned alive. Don\u2019t reinforce ISIS\u2019 sadistic theatrics.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; John Horgan (@Drjohnhorgan) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Drjohnhorgan\/status\/562658791708446722\">February 3, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>in light of which, let me add by way of <em>requiescat<\/em>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>Want to honor <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/jordanianpilot?src=hash\">#jordanianpilot<\/a>? Remember him as a pious Muslim coming to worship his Lord.&#10; <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/MuathalKaseasbeh?src=hash\">#MuathalKaseasbeh<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/NWbuTPv5XJ\">pic.twitter.com\/NWbuTPv5XJ<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; omid safi (@ostadjaan) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ostadjaan\/status\/562764354018631680\">February 4, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll close as I began, with JM Berger:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>The backlash is the point of the video, not an unintended side effect.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; J.M. Berger (@intelwire) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intelwire\/status\/562666685199839233\">February 3, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Let&#8217;s not feed the flames.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ by Charles Cameron &#8212; there&#8217;s rather more going on in the burning of the Jordanian pilot than I can handle &#8212; here are some of today&#8217;s relevant highlights ] . 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