{"id":44378,"date":"2015-04-07T15:25:07","date_gmt":"2015-04-07T15:25:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=44378"},"modified":"2015-04-07T15:28:36","modified_gmt":"2015-04-07T15:28:36","slug":"yes-and-no-but-by-analogy-with-innocence-yes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=44378","title":{"rendered":"Yes and no &#8212; but by analogy with innocence, yes?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[ by <strong>Charles Cameron<\/strong> &#8212; Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and those black banners again &#8212; I&#8217;m just curious ]<br \/>\n.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Judy Clarke<\/strong>, an attorney specializing in death penalty cases, addresses the <strong>Tsarnaev<\/strong> jury in the closing statement for the defense:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\"><p>Clarke: The govt. wants you to see this picture to suggest Dzhokhar self-radicalized; it&#39;s just a religious flag. <a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/lG966aCe8I\">pic.twitter.com\/lG966aCe8I<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Jim Armstrong (@JimArmstrongWBZ) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/JimArmstrongWBZ\/status\/585150264887250947\">April 6, 2015<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>Clark is right that the flag is a religious flag, but whether or not for <strong>Dzhokar Tsarnaev<\/strong> it had further, specifically jihadist or even eschatological implications is open to question. As you know, <a href=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=4322\">black banners commonly signify apocalyptic jihad<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>By analogy with the presumption of innocence, though, this flag should be presumed to be purely religious (ie without jihadist implication) unless demonstrated otherwise, no?<\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>Incidentally, <strong>Aaron Zelin<\/strong> dealt carefully with a similar question about essentially the same flag &#8212; the calligraphy differs slightly in detail &#8212; in a tweet regarding the Sydney incident:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\"><p>\nThis is flag currently held in Sydney window, a garden-variety Islamist flag. Therefore, doesn\u2019t tell us anything yet <a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/DgC6wIsE47\">pic.twitter.com\/DgC6wIsE47<\/a><br \/>\n&mdash; Aaron Y. Zelin (@azelin) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/azelin\/status\/544277526248304640\">December 14, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>And in any case, while we&#8217;re waiting for the verdict in the Boston trial, I&#8217;m just curious.<\/p>\n<p>How does the law deal with issues such as this? To what extent is non-definitive circumstantial evidence contextual and cumulative?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ by Charles Cameron &#8212; Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and those black banners again &#8212; I&#8217;m just curious ] . Judy Clarke, an attorney specializing in death penalty cases, addresses the Tsarnaev jury in the closing statement for the defense: Clarke: The govt. wants you to see this picture to suggest Dzhokhar self-radicalized; it&#39;s just a religious [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[841,892,168,526,278,779,1145,1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-44378","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-aaron-zelin","category-black-banner","category-boston","category-charles-cameron","category-legal","category-question","category-sydney","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44378","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=44378"}],"version-history":[{"count":16,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44378\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":44396,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44378\/revisions\/44396"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=44378"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=44378"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=44378"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}