{"id":45640,"date":"2015-07-24T13:41:14","date_gmt":"2015-07-24T13:41:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=45640"},"modified":"2015-07-24T18:00:01","modified_gmt":"2015-07-24T18:00:01","slug":"iran-the-debate-we-should-be-having","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=45640","title":{"rendered":"Iran: The Debate We Should Be Having"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>By T. Greer<\/b><\/p>\n<table align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" class=\"tr-caption-container\" style=\"float: left; margin-right: 1em; text-align: left;\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-KscAkd6MyYU\/UdhFnMwYTjI\/AAAAAAAAAmU\/4tduisENOrk\/s1600\/mid-east-religion.jpg\" imageanchor=\"1\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"450\" src=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-KscAkd6MyYU\/UdhFnMwYTjI\/AAAAAAAAAmU\/4tduisENOrk\/s640\/mid-east-religion.jpg\" width=\"640\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"tr-caption\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;\">Major religions in the Middle East<br \/>\n<i>Image Source: <a href=\"http:\/\/gulf2000.columbia.edu\/images\/maps\/Mid_East_Religion_lg.jpg\">Columbia University&#8217;s Gulf 2000 Project<\/a><\/i><\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><\/br><br \/><\/br><\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/><\/br><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><b>I<\/b><\/span> am not a specialist in arms control or nuclear technology. I must rely on the judgement of others with relevant expertise to assess the viability of the new agreement with Iran. This makes things difficult, for the opinions of experts I trust are divided. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thejc.com\/news\/world-news\/139712\/this-agreement-will-stop-iran-getting-a-nuclear-weapon\">Lawrence Freedman<\/a>,&nbsp; <a href=\"http:\/\/nucleardiner.com\/2015\/07\/21\/the-jcpoa-monitoring-uranium-enrichment\/\">Cheryl Rofer<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/warontherocks.com\/2015\/07\/down-and-dirty-on-the-iranian-nuclear-deal\/\">Aaron Stein<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/armscontrolwonk.com\/\">the other folks at Arms Control Wonk<\/a> all support the deal. Most do so with great enthusiasm.&nbsp; <a href=\"http:\/\/warontherocks.com\/2015\/07\/the-case-for-dumping-the-iran-deal\/\">Thomas Moore<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tabletmag.com\/jewish-news-and-politics\/191806\/the-illusionist-al-seckel\">Matthew Kroenig,<\/a> on the other hand, oppose it with uncharacteristic harshness. Over at the excellent blog <i><a href=\"http:\/\/ottomansandzionists.com\/\">Zionists and Ottomans<\/a>, <\/i>Michael Koplow sticks to the middle ground<i>. <\/i>He accepts that the provisions of the JCPOA will successfully deter Iran from developing nuclear weapons, but worries that this focus on Iran&#8217;s nuclear program misses the forest for the trees. As <a href=\"http:\/\/ottomansandzionists.com\/2015\/07\/14\/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-of-the-iran-nuclear-deal\/\"><b>he writes:<\/b><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span style=\"color: #351c75;\">It is difficult to see how this deal advances conventional peace  and stability in the Middle East over the next decade even as it pushes  a nuclear Iran farther away. Contra the president\u2019s assumptions, Iran  is almost certainly going to use the money in sanctions relief to  continue fighting proxy wars in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen, and continuing  its general covert war with the Sunni world, not to mention its  sponsorship of terrorism against Israeli and Western targets. By all  means celebrate a temporary victory on the nuclear front, but the idea  that this will bring peace in our time or stability to the Middle East  is ridiculous. The impetus for the deal from the administration\u2019s  perspective has clearly been a conviction that Iran is changing socially  and politically and that the regime cannot go on forever, and that a  nuclear deal will empower moderates, create pressure from below for  change, etc. This view is hubristic; I know of nobody who can accurately  predict with any type of certainty or accuracy whether and when regimes  will collapse, or how social trends will impact a deeply authoritarian  state\u2019s political trajectory (and yes, Iran is a deeply authoritarian  state, liberalizing society and elected parliament or not). Certainly  providing the regime with an influx of cash, cooperation on regional  issues, and better access to arms is not going to hasten the end of the  mullahs\u2019 rule, so much as I find it hard to condemn the deal entirely  because of some clear positives on the nuclear issue, I find it just as  hard to celebrate this as some clear and celebratory foreign policy  victory. <\/span><span style=\"font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"color: #351c75;\">[<\/span>1]<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\">Koplow is not the only person to express such concerns.  In <a href=\"http:\/\/www.brookings.edu\/blogs\/markaz\/posts\/2015\/07\/14-iran-nuclear-deal-us-middle-east-wittes?hs_u=scholarstage%40yahoo.com&amp;_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8JSO5T_elM6JYYYFg-QWjW_r-VkTgepHOsgS5GCzhNhaS62nMtgm37VA1fYKAEWNt_1EXSGsQPd9l5CkPfCfe7qmGBuA&amp;_hsmi=20665621\">a thoughtful write up for the Brookings Institute<\/a>, Tamara Coffman Wittes warns that this deal &#8220;<span style=\"color: #351c75;\">will not stabilize a messy Middle East.<\/span>&#8221; Kenneth Pollack&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/docs.house.gov\/meetings\/FA\/FA00\/20150709\/103727\/HHRG-114-FA00-Wstate-PollackK-20150709.pdf\">recent testimony to the House of Representatives<\/a> explores these themes in even greater detail, and should be required reading for anyone who wants to contribute to these discussions. (And of course, throw-away lines about Iranian plans to destabilize the region have  found their way into almost every speech given by those who oppose the  deal). <span style=\"font-size: x-small;\">[2]<\/span><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\">This is an important turn in the debate. For many the finer points of technical issue like uranium enrichment centrifuges or IAEA enforcement policies have been eclipsed by broad questions about Iran&#8217;s role in the regional order. These questions will only became more prevalent&nbsp; as the newness of this deal wears away with time.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\">This is not a conversation Americans are prepared to have. The mental model most American observers&#8211;and if their statements are to be taken at face value, American officials&#8211;use to make sense of Iran, America&#8217;s allies in the region, and America&#8217;s role in upholding the regional order are faulty and simplistic. You can see this quite clearly <a href=\"http:\/\/nationalinterest.org\/feature\/taking-the-iran-deal-disaster-seriously-13382\">in comments like these<\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span style=\"color: #351c75;\">Iran\u2019s nuclear program\u2014for obvious reasons\u2014has been the most  important issue in that country\u2019s relations with the West, but it is  very far from the only issue. Iran remains one of the most prolific  state-sponsors of terrorism in the world. It has and will certainly  continue to seek hegemony in the Middle East, to deliberately  destabilize its neighbors and other states in the region, and to promote  ballistic missile proliferation and human-rights abuses throughout the  Near and Middle East and beyond.<\/span><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span style=\"color: #351c75;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span style=\"color: #351c75;\">Only a comprehensive strategy, led by the United States and supported  by our major allies, can neutralize Iran\u2019s malign activities, and this  will take time. In particular, that program must take into account the  views and interests of U.S. allies in the region, including Israel and  those Arab States that understand and fear Iran\u2019s ambitions and  capabilities.<span style=\"font-size: x-small;\">[3]<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\">The role played both by Iran and &#8220;U.S. allies in the region&#8221; is far more complicated than this. Each plays a part in the instability now wrecking the Near East. Like America, Iran&#8217;s relationship with other actors in the region is convoluted and sometimes contradictory. By simplifying the region\u2019s geopolitics into a narrow contest of good and evil we do ourselves a great disservice. A more accurate narrative would recognize that there are <b>two separate conflicts<\/b>&nbsp; threaten the stability of the Near East. These conflicts are related but distinct. The failure to distinguish between them is the root problem behind much of America&#8217;s flawed commentary and confused policy.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><b>T<\/b><\/span>he first of the two contests is the strategic rivalry between Iran and her regional enemies, Israel and the Saudi led <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gulf_Cooperation_Council\">Gulf Cooperation Council<\/a> (GCC). As with the great geopolitical contests of the last century, this rivalry has a hard ideological edge that makes compromise difficult. However, the ambitions of its central players fall squarely within the realm of traditional power politics. The roles each claim are as old as <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Thucydides\">Thucydides<\/a>, with today&#8217;s Persians playing the part of rising challenger to the existing order, and their opponents acting as its main defenders. This is a war of the shadows, waged through sabotage, assassination, espionage, terrorism, and the occasional full blown insurgency. The instability caused by American intervention in Iraq and the Arab Spring has raised the stakes of this competition. Now Tehran and Riyadh both desperately scour the region, ever seeking some new opportunity to tilt the balance of power in their favor.&nbsp; It is the civilians of the smaller powers caught in the middle that suffer most. That is where the proxy campaigns are fought. For the most part it is also where they end.&nbsp; But just below the surface remains the constant fear that these endless maneuvers in the shadows might lead to open war in the light. <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\">It is to prevent such a war that analysts like Mr. Pollack\u2014whose testimony to congress I urged you to read above\u2014favor a strong U.S. presence in the region. This has been the traditional role of the United States since the \u201880s, with America acting as a guarantor of sorts of the existing order. Under such conditions Iran and the United States are natural enemies. When upstart dictators like Saddam Hussein don\u2019t call attention to themselves, \u201cmaintain the regional order\u201d is short hand for holding back the tide of Persian hegemony. It is important to realize, however, that <b>no matter how hostile Iran and its proxies may be towards America, their power to harm American citizens and servicemen will always be proportional to how invested America is in the region<\/b>. This was Ronald Reagan\u2019s central insight when he ordered<a href=\"https:\/\/history.state.gov\/milestones\/1981-1988\/lebanon\"> the withdrawal of American troops from Lebanon in 1984<\/a>. Americans are only a target in the shadow war if they decide to participate in it. <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\">This does not hold true for the second conflict that roils the Near East.<!--more--> This conflict is of much broader scope. Its scale is global; at stake is an entire civilization. In <a href=\"http:\/\/scholars-stage.blogspot.com\/2015\/02\/if-you-didnt-realize-it-civilization-is.html\"><b>a previous essay<\/b><\/a> I described it as \u201ca global contest for the soul of Islam.\u201d It is in essence a battle over belief. The beliefs that sustain its most violent fighters are inevitably of some <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ctc.usma.edu\/posts\/the-salafi-jihad-as-a-religious-ideology\">Salafist<\/a> or <a href=\"http:\/\/www.globalsecurity.org\/military\/intro\/islam-deobandi.htm\">Deobandi<\/a> strain. The former has its geographic center in Saudi Arabia, the latter in Pakistan. Due to oil money and internet propaganda, Salafi-Jihadist ideology has spread far beyond its homeland, tainting madrassas and chat forums across the globe. Its most fearful expression is seen in the caliphate established by the Islamic State. But this is not its only expression. Stabbing sprees in Yunnan, kidnappings in Nigeria, bombings in Indonesia, shoot outs in Paris, and the murder of marines in Tennessee are all products of this toxic ideology. <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\">Here the threat to American interests is clearer, but\u2014barring a sudden influx of Muslim immigrants comparable to the numbers living now in France\u2014it is limited. The attacks of 9\/11 were the United States&#8217; most harrowing experience with Salafi-Jihadist terrorism to date. This brush with extremism changed our politics, but it did not alter the fabric of American society in any fundamental way. Such distance is not possible in the Near East. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2015\/07\/26\/magazine\/is-this-the-end-of-christianity-in-the-middle-east.html\">The blood of Syria and Iraq\u2019s 2,000 year old Christian communities <\/a>testify to the scale of the changes this conflict promises to bring to the region. I tried to capture this scale in <a href=\"http:\/\/scholars-stage.blogspot.com\/2015\/02\/if-you-didnt-realize-it-civilization-is.html\"><b>my last essay on this topic<\/b><\/a>:<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span style=\"color: #351c75;\">Think of these Salafi reformers as you do the<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Protestant_Reformation#Reformation_outside_Germany\"> first wave of Protestant reformers<\/a>  back in the 16th century. The comparison is apt not only because the  goal of the Salafi-Jihadists is, like the original Protestants, to bring  religious practice back to a pure and original form, or because the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/culture\/tvandradio\/bbc\/11361080\/Thomas-Cromwell-was-the-Islamic-State-of-his-day.html\">savagery displayed by many of the Protestant reformers was quite comparable<\/a>  to ISIS at its worst, but because this comparison gives you a sense of  the stakes that are at play. This is a game where the shape of <i>entire civilizations<\/i>  are on the table. The Salafi-Jihadists want to change the way billions  of people worship, think, and live out their daily lives. ISIS&#8217;s success  in the Near East gives us a clear picture of exactly what kind of  society the Salafi-Jihadists envision for the <i>Ummah<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>I  will not mince words:&nbsp; humankind faces few catastrophes more terrible  than allowing Salafi-Jihadist reformers to hijack Islamic civilization.  Theirs is an ideology utterly hostile to human progress and prosperity,  and their victory, if attained, will come at great human cost. The  Protestants secured their Reformation with <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Thirty_Years%27_War\">one of the most destructive wars<\/a>  of European history; there is little reason to think Salafi-Jihadist  victories will be any less disastrous. Not every &#8216;great game&#8217; of  international power politics is played for civilization-level stakes. <i>But that is exactly what is at stake here<\/i>. <span style=\"font-size: x-small;\">[4]<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\">No Caliphate worth its name can tolerate claims of state authority beyond its own, so it is little surprise that every power in the region has turned against it. As I type <a href=\"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/%E2%80%9Chttp:\/\/www.hurriyetdailynews.com\/turkish-airstrikes-target-isil-in-syria.aspx?pageID=238&amp;nID=85853&amp;NewsCatID=352%E2%80%9D\">Turkish F-16s are conducting airstrikes<\/a> against ISIS targets. The Turks were the last to join the anti-ISIS coalition. Their reticence to combat the horrors on their doorstep show the great difficulties that face all who hope to defeat Salafi-Jihadist extremism. The truth is that many powers in the region do not much mind it. Others positively encourage it. For some of these the matter is as simple as ideological affinity for the Salafi-Jihadist cause; this is certainly the case for Qatar, whose sheiks\u2019 money <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newrepublic.com\/article\/119705\/why-does-qatar-support-known-terrorists\">has been traced<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.clarionproject.org\/analysis\/qatar-banker-global-jihad#\">to extremist madrassas and<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/worldnews\/middleeast\/qatar\/11110931\/How-Qatar-is-funding-the-rise-of-Islamist-extremists.html\">terrorist groups<\/a> across the globe. For others it is about larger geopolitical goals. <a href=\"http:\/\/warontherocks.com\/2014\/12\/explaining-pakistans-confidence\/?singlepage=1\">The decades Pakistan has spent nurturing and sheltering barbarous Deobandi and Salafi terrorist groups<\/a> that could be used as proxies against India (and later, American troops in Afghanistan) is the textbook example. It is a risky strategy. Not because of the powers targeted, of course\u2014in face of Pakistani sponsored terrorism <a href=\"http:\/\/warontherocks.com\/2015\/06\/false-equivalency-in-the-indo-pakistan-dispute\/?singlepage=1\">India has shown one of the greatest displays of restraint in modern history<\/a>, while America <a href=\"http:\/\/warontherocks.com\/2015\/06\/how-pakistan-beguiles-the-americans-a-guide-for-foreign-officials\/\">rewarded Pakistan for killing thousands of its soldiers and citizens with hundreds of billions dollars in aid<\/a>. <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\">The larger threat is posed by the terrorist groups themselves, whose presence\u2014indeed, very ideology\u2014are a source of instability. Rawalpindi exports as much of this instability as it can to Afghanistan and India (and <a href=\"http:\/\/thediplomat.com\/2014\/08\/china-wonders-if-pakistan-is-responsible-for-xinjiang-violence\/\">perhaps<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/tribune.com.pk\/story\/682878\/uighur-leader-hiding-in-pakistan-vows-revenge-on-china\/\">now to Xinjiang<\/a>), but it still witnesses a horrendous amount of carnage within the borders it is charged with defending. Rawalpindi rides the tiger. But they are not the only power to do so. The GCC plays a similar game, though they have yet to suffer the kind of instability seen in Waziristan. The enemy that attracts them to dangerous extremist groups is Iran. A terrorist outfit or militia inspired by Salafi-Jihadist ideology is an ideal vehicle for opposing Iranian ambitions, for the Iranians and their clients are Sh\u2019ia, an anathema to Salafi extremists everywhere. ISIS\u2019s explosive rampage across the region may have cooled the GCC\u2019s ardor for Sunni militias somewhat; it has certainly given them the sort of convenient excuse that they have lacked for the past decade. This morning <a href=\"http:\/\/english.alarabiya.net\/en\/News\/middle-east\/2015\/07\/23\/GCC-slams-Iraq-s-Maliki-making-anti-Saudi-remarks.html\">Saudi officials countered Nouri Maliki&#8217;s claim that Saudi Arabia supports Sunni terrorists groups in Iraq <\/a>by describing the GCC as the &#8220;forefront&#8221; of the anti-ISIS coalition. They fooled no one. It took <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wsj.com\/articles\/deal-with-saudis-paved-way-for-syrian-airstrikes-1411605329\">months of cajoling and arm twisting<\/a> before Riyadh agreed to bomb ISIS positions. It took less than two weeks for them <a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/voices\/saudi-arabias-airstrikes-in-yemen-are-fuelling-the-gulfs-fire-10141323.html\">to decide to do the same thing to the Shi\u2019ia Houthi fighters in Yemen<\/a>. A clearer demonstration of their priorities could not be asked for. <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\">Iran\u2019s position in this conflict is unique: there is no state who fights against Salafi-Jihadist extremism with the consistency and force shown by the Islamic Republic. The revolutionary Shi\u2019a ideology promoted by the Iranian state is less extreme and exclusionary than that promoted by Sunni extremists: Iran\u2019s Lebanese client Hezbollah\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/March_8_Alliance\">most important political partners are Christians and Druze<\/a>, while Syria\u2019s Christians <a href=\"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/%E2%80%9Chttp:\/\/www.breitbart.com\/national-security\/2015\/03\/25\/syrian-christians-look-to-assad-regime-for-protection-from-jihadis\/%E2%80%9C\">flee to the areas controlled by Assad\u2019s regime for safety and protection<\/a>. In Afghanistan the Iranians <a href=\"http:\/\/www.al-monitor.com\/pulse\/originals\/2015\/07\/iran-us-afghanistan-syria.html\">worked for a stable regime that protected minority (and thus Shi\u2019a) rights<\/a>. In Iraq and Syria no other power\u2014with the exception perhaps of the Kurds\u2014fights ISIS with the consistency of Iran and its proxies. <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><b>T<\/b><\/span>he narrative presented here is more nuanced than the standard cable news presentation on Near East or on Iran. In many ways it is still a gross oversimplification\u2014one could easily add a few more levels of complexity to the discussion by describing the role of the Kurds in regional politics, or tracing the relationships between different Libyan militias and their foreign sponsors, and so forth. But the marginal utility of these additional layers of complexity are small.<b> The most important distinction has already been made: instability in the Middle East is largely rooted in two distinct but connected conflicts. <\/b>The first is a regional geopolitical rivalry between Iran and its adversaries, Israel and the GCC. The second is an attempt by extremists to hijack Islamic civilization with a violent and utterly intolerant Salafist ideology. <b>Recognizing this should change the terms upon which we debate American-Iranian relations. <\/b><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\">The Iran debate we <i>should<\/i> be having centers around two questions:<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><b>Why should the United States care about the Middle East at all? <\/b>The United States is a power beset with region-bound rivals. It faces challenges to the regional orders it helped create in Europe, the East Pacific, and the Near East. Allies in each region are worried that the United States is not sufficiently committed to their security and the regional order by which they have prospered. They are right to worry. The United States has neither the political will nor the fiscal wherewithal to maintain an active, forward presence in all three regions. It is far past time for those who argue for a stronger presence in any of these places to justify why Americans should prioritize the region in question over the others. Hard questions like these simply cannot be put off any longer.<br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\nThis is particularly true for the Near East, for the threat countries like Iran can pose to American interests is correlated with the size of our presence is in the region. Previous interventions in the Near East have been justified in terms of energy security and spreading democratic governance. The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.foreignaffairs.com\/articles\/2014-04-17\/welcome-revolution\">shale revolution<\/a> has rendered the first of these obsolete; the Iraq debacle and the Arab Spring have shown the folly of the second. What justifies American involvement in the present?&nbsp; <\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><br \/>\n<\/span> <\/li>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/br><\/p>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><b>What war do we really want to win? <\/b>Over the last fourteen years the United States has tried to combat Salafi-Jihadist extremism and quell Iran\u2019s regional ambitions at the same time. One of these aims treats Iran as a tacit ally; the other treats Iran as a an avowed enemy. If this seems contradictory, <i>it is because it is<\/i>. The United States cannot continue the current course and expect success. A regional order where Salafi-Jihadist extremism is weak is a region where Iran and her proxies are stronger than they are today. A regional order where Iran and her proxies are weakened or defeated is an order where Salafi-Jihadist extremism thrives. Both the Iranians and the GCC realize this. It is time Americans follow suit.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><\/p>\n<p>This post <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/scholars-stage.blogspot.com\/2015\/07\/iran-debate-we-should-be-having.html\">was cross posted at <em>The Scholar&#8217;s Stage<\/em><\/a>.<\/strong><br \/>\n<\/span> <\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small;\">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1\" style=\"font-size: x-small;\"><span data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;K&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body\"><span class=\"UFICommentBody _1n4g\" data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text8:0\">[1] Michael Koplow, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/ottomansandzionists.com\/2015\/07\/14\/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-of-the-iran-nuclear-deal\/\">The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly of the Iran Nuclear Deal<\/a>,&#8221; <i>Ottomans and Zionists <\/i>(14 July 2015)&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/span> <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1\" style=\"font-size: x-small;\"><span data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;K&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body\"><span class=\"UFICommentBody _1n4g\" data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text8:0\">[2] <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1\" style=\"font-size: x-small;\"><span data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;K&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body\"><span class=\"UFICommentBody _1n4g\" data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text8:0\"><span class=\"post-author\">Tamara Cofman Wittes, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.brookings.edu\/blogs\/markaz\/posts\/2015\/07\/14-iran-nuclear-deal-us-middle-east-wittes?hs_u=scholarstage%40yahoo.com&amp;_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8JSO5T_elM6JYYYFg-QWjW_r-VkTgepHOsgS5GCzhNhaS62nMtgm37VA1fYKAEWNt_1EXSGsQPd9l5CkPfCfe7qmGBuA&amp;_hsmi=20665621\">An Iran Deal Won&#8217;t Stabilize a Messy Middle East&#8211;But Maybe Arab States Can<\/a>,&#8221; <i>Brookings Institute: Marqaz<\/i> (14 July 2015); Kenneth Pollack, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/docs.house.gov\/meetings\/FA\/FA00\/20150709\/103727\/HHRG-114-FA00-Wstate-PollackK-20150709.pdf\">Implications of a Nuclear Agreement with Iran,<\/a>&#8221; Testimony before the Committee on Foreign Affairs, U.S. Senate (9 July 2015).<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1\" style=\"font-size: x-small;\"><span data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;K&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body\"><span class=\"UFICommentBody _1n4g\" data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text8:0\"><span class=\"post-author\">[3] David Rivkin and Lee Cassie, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/nationalinterest.org\/feature\/taking-the-iran-deal-disaster-seriously-13382\">Taking The Iran Deal Disaster Seriously<\/a>,&#8221; <i>The National Interest <\/i>(21 July 2015).&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1\"><span data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;K&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body\"><span class=\"UFICommentBody _1n4g\" data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0\"><span data-reactid=\".83.1:5:1:$replies10207108551613798_10207108631415793:0.1:2:$comment10207108551613798_10207117508917725:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text8:0\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;\"><span class=\"post-author\" style=\"font-size: x-small;\">[4] T. Greer, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/scholars-stage.blogspot.com\/2015\/02\/if-you-didnt-realize-it-civilization-is.html\">A Civilization is At Stake Here<\/a>,&#8221; <i>The Scholar&#8217;s Stage <\/i>(27 February 2015)&nbsp;<\/span><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By T. Greer Major religions in the Middle East Image Source: Columbia University&#8217;s Gulf 2000 Project &#8212;&#8212;&#8211; I am not a specialist in arms control or nuclear technology. I must rely on the judgement of others with relevant expertise to assess the viability of the new agreement with Iran. 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