{"id":45756,"date":"2015-08-03T05:26:25","date_gmt":"2015-08-03T05:26:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=45756"},"modified":"2015-08-03T05:26:25","modified_gmt":"2015-08-03T05:26:25","slug":"when-win-win-games-get-gamed","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=45756","title":{"rendered":"When win-win games get gamed"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[ by <strong>Charles Cameron<\/strong> &#8212; a paradox I&#8217;m currently chewing on, courtesy of Richard Landes]<br \/>\n.<\/p>\n<p>I want to take something that <strong>Richard Landes<\/strong> has been saying, abstract it from those conflicts to which Richard applies it, simplify it by removing one technical term that&#8217;s part of his detailed breakdown, and present it in as bare-bones a manner as I can manasge. You can see two of Richard&#8217;s own versions of the issue below.<\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>The basic question, as I understand it, is this: <\/p>\n<p><em><strong>How does a <strong>non-zero-sum move<\/strong> look to a <strong>zero-sum player<\/strong>, and vice versa?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s suppose your entire background and upbringing revolves around the idea of zero-sum, you-win-I-lose games. If you see any sign of your adversary gaining an advantage in a negotiation, that&#8217;s proof positive that you&#8217;ve been bamboozled: somehow, you must have lost. Your job is to make no concessions &#8212; to be the winner in a winner-takes-all contest.<\/p>\n<p>Now suppose your background and upbringing have revolved around the idea of non-zero-sum, win-win games, in which both sides of a negotiation make some concessions so that both can emerge as winners. You offer concessions in good faith, and in return you expect similar concessions.<\/p>\n<p>What happens when a zero-sum game player and a non-zero-sum game player meet in play?<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s Landes&#8217; suggestion that any generosity on the part of a win-win player offering his winner-take-all opponent a concession will be taken as evidence of weakness,. and the opponent, far from making a corresponding compromise, will press on and demand more &#8212; making further nmoves which will offer so little that the win-win player will be at a loss to explain why such a promising start to bnegotiations fell apart so badly.<\/p>\n<p>A further supposition: so-called <strong>honor-shame<\/strong> societies are geared for zero-sum, winner-takes-all gameplay, while societies which rely on an <strong>innocence-guilt<\/strong> reading of human behavior will be no less inclined toeards playing non-zero-sum, win-win games.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s the idea expressed in game-theoretic terms, as simply as I can put it. To my mind, these game considerations are worth thinking through in their own right, absent the specifics to which Richard Landes brings them.<\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>Here is Landes making the same point, in the context of Israeli relations with the Palestinians, the Arab and Muslim worlds, and European liberalism &#8211;all of the above broadly speaking:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/QFrcD5AY29Q?list=PLFQNyc4oUTUIPGfWnlYWGQiTMfXYNSxR0\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And a text version, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theaugeanstables.com\/category\/cognitive-egocentrism\/\">Cognitive Egocentrism<\/a>, for those who find words fly home faster in print&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>Help me think this through.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ by Charles Cameron &#8212; a paradox I&#8217;m currently chewing on, courtesy of Richard Landes] . I want to take something that Richard Landes has been saying, abstract it from those conflicts to which Richard applies it, simplify it by removing one technical term that&#8217;s part of his detailed breakdown, and present it in as [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[526,334,653,529,1062,499,635,1021,840,1158,1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-45756","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-charles-cameron","category-europe","category-game-theory","category-games","category-honor","category-islamic-world","category-israel","category-palestine","category-paradox","category-richard-landes","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45756","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=45756"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45756\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":45784,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45756\/revisions\/45784"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=45756"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=45756"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=45756"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}