{"id":59046,"date":"2018-04-25T16:09:10","date_gmt":"2018-04-25T16:09:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=59046"},"modified":"2018-08-10T18:09:36","modified_gmt":"2018-08-10T18:09:36","slug":"resource-the-rajneeshis-and-the-incels","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=59046","title":{"rendered":"resource: The Rajneeshis and the Incels"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[ by <strong>Charles Cameron<\/strong> &#8212; opposite extremists at opposite extremes &#8212; for JM, if he ever gets time to read \/ view \/ hear it ]<br \/>\n.<\/p>\n<p>As I write this, <strong>JM Berger<\/strong> is publishing what will no doubt be a powerfully argued and fascinating theoretical and, I suspect, anecdotal account of a wide range of extremists, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Extremism-MIT-Press-Essential-Knowledge\/dp\/0262535874\">Extremism (The MIT Press Essential Knowledge series)<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>extremism arises from a perception of &#8220;us versus them,&#8221; intensified by the conviction that the success of &#8220;us&#8221; is inseparable from hostile acts against &#8220;them.&#8221; <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>I presented JM&#8217;s tweet-stream detailing the stages of his developing theoretical researches culminating in this book on ZP not so very long ago, at <a href=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/?p=58947&#038;preview=true\">JM Berger, Extremism \u2014 you have been alerted, informed<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Both the groups I&#8217;ll discuss here finally fit JM&#8217;s definition, but my interest is in a comparison between two searches at an earlier time in their development when their  motives can be seen prior to violence. And what interests me is that their situations are polar opposites. In brief, one laments <strong>zero sex<\/strong>, the other enjoys <strong>infinite sex<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>In both cases, sex is central, central is too weak a word..<\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sex<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Cobsider the ways of the world around you, Vogue, the tabloids, Playboy, porn.. <\/p>\n<p>Consider your own desires and fantasies, your urgencies and restraint, lust and romance, your personal <strong>Casablanca <\/strong>(and note <strong>Janis&#8217;s Casablance ref<\/strong>!! when we get there)..<\/p>\n<p>And having considered sex, consider these two extremes on its spectrum:<\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sex to the almost infinite power:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Consider <strong>Christina Aguilera<\/strong>, live, body &#038; voice:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/TZFQgqhNoEI\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; encrypted-media\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And consider <strong>Janis <\/strong>singing:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Move Over&#8221; is the only song on the 1971 album &#8220;Pearl&#8221; that Janis wrote on her own. If the lyric doesn&#8217;t strike you as particularly suggestive, just listen to the way she sings it and you&#8217;ll see what we mean.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Apply that to:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/eihw2hu65S0\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; encrypted-media\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And now multiply by this, drawn from her letters:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p> She certainly didn\u2019t subscribe to the radical-feminist orthodoxies of the superfluousness of men. She fell in love at a heartbeat; her sexual appetites are perhaps best described as ravenous (she had female as well as male lovers), her judgment frequently awry.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That&#8217;s &#8212; listen to her singing again, concert after concert &#8212;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/7uG2gYE5KOs\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; encrypted-media\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8212; <strong>sexuality, pure &#038; full-throated<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>This &#8212; I can&#8217;t manage both &#8212; from a male (ie female) perspective..<\/p>\n<p>&#038; woah!:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/X1zFnyEe3nE\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; encrypted-media\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/EkPq3UaCLpg\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; encrypted-media\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[ &#038; btw, philosophers, listen up, if you don&#8217;t already ]<\/p>\n<p>janis song: &#8220;a woman left lonely&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;she would make love to 25,000 on stage, then go home alone..&#8221;<\/p>\n<p> ight be able to do both sex &#038; incel with Janis..<\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p>Given that, that strnegth, that compulsive pull, that <em>driven drive<\/em> &#8212;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Zero Sex, the absence, involuntary<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Those who are involuntarily celibate &#8212; can&#8217;t <strong>get none<\/strong> &#8212; perceiving themselves shunned by those who attract them __<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/genius.com\/James-brown-its-a-mans-world-lyrics\">final lyrics, one version:<\/a>James Brown, It&#8217;s a Man&#8217;s World..<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Oh how, how man needs a woman<br \/>\n<em><strong>I sympathize with the man that don&#8217;t have a woman<\/strong><\/em><br \/>\nHe&#8217;s lost in the wilderness<br \/>\nHe&#8217;s lost in bitterness<br \/>\nHe&#8217;s lost in loneliness<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The last three lines occur frequently in different recordings, the line <em><strong>I sympathize with the man that don&#8217;t have a woman<\/strong><\/em> comes from a version I don&#8217;t have access to on video. And <strong>that last stanza, with that line in it, could be an incel anthem<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>The raw reality of it: a child&#8217;s wail &#8212; see how much you can bear to see &#8212;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/pnT0CMwBrWs\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; encrypted-media\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Hreere, should you care to watch it, is the boy&#8217;s full video, unvarnished:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/G-gQ3aAdhIo\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; encrypted-media\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This boy, this young man, a day or so after making this video, went out and killed six people in Isla Vista, Calif., in an attempt as &#8220;the prefect gentleman&#8221; to get his revenge on the hottest blondes in UC Santa Barbara. And became, for some, a hero to be emulated.. And emulated he was.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Readings follow suit:<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<li><strong>Forbes<\/strong>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.forbes.com\/sites\/kashmirhill\/2014\/05\/24\/the-disturbing-internet-footprint-of-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger\">The Disturbing Internet Footprint Of Santa Barbara Shooter Elliot Rodger<\/a>\n<li><strong>Clarion Project<\/strong>, <a href=\"https:\/\/clarionproject.org\/incel-revolution\/\">What is the \u2018Incel Revolution\u2019 and Why Should I Care?<\/a>\n<li><strong>NYTimes<\/strong>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2018\/04\/24\/world\/canada\/toronto-van-rampage.html\">Toronto Van Attack Suspect Expressed Anger at Women<\/a>\n<li><strong>NYTimes<\/strong>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2018\/04\/24\/world\/canada\/incel-reddit-meaning-rebellion.html\">What Is an Incel? A Term Used by the Toronto Van Attack Suspect, Explained<\/a\/>\n<li><strong>WaPo<\/strong>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/the-intersect\/wp\/2018\/04\/25\/inside-the-online-world-of-incels-the-dark-corner-of-the-internet-linked-to-the-toronto-suspect\">Inside the online world of \u2018incels,\u2019<\/a>\n<li><strong>LRB<\/strong>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lrb.co.uk\/v40\/n06\/amia-srinivasan\/does-anyone-have-the-right-to-sex\">Does anyone have the right to sex?<\/a><\/li>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>It is this extreme I have greater difficuty understanding.<\/p>\n<p>This most recently, btw:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<li><strong>LATimes<\/strong>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/local\/lanow\/la-me-isle-vista-massacre-alt-right-20180206-story.html\">Killer who committed massacre in Isla Vista was part of alt-righ<\/a><\/li>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The SPLC report counts Rodger among <strong>13 alleged alt-right killers<\/strong> whose actions left 43 people dead and more than 60 injured since 2014.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Elliot Rodger, the 22-year-old who killed six students in the college town of Isla Vista in 2014, was the first &#8220;alt-right killer&#8221; to strike in recent years..<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As I said, BTW..<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/E-irXmqIzGA\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; encrypted-media\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sex raised hopefully to the power of the infinite:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>And then I hear that howl against the backdrop of the (mixed-bag) documentary about the Rajneeshis:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/hBLS_OM6Puk\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; encrypted-media\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Wide-open their hope, shut-down their finale.<\/p>\n<p>**<\/p>\n<p><strong>And finally, Something Other<\/strong> &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>Now I want to watch, binge-watch <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Brideshead-Revisited-Jeremy-Irons\/dp\/B00005JLG2\">Brideshead Revisited<\/a>, the <strong>Jeremy Irons<\/strong> version, for some very un-American, upper-class-snobbish, public-school-boy, Roman-Catholic-gay historical-throwback art-level Britishness:<\/p>\n<p>Dropping you in at an odd, a very odd luncheon:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/cQBUkhxKaVQ\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; encrypted-media\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I who have been beaten &#8212; four, with a bamboo cane, at <strong>Wellington College<\/strong>, (a sort of military academy slash prep school) &#8212; for doing <strong>the Times crossword<\/strong> in place of my math moework. Ah yes, and when I came up to <strong>Christ Church<\/strong>, Oxford, dunked in Mercury, that college&#8217;s <strong>Tom Quad<\/strong> pool, after exacting the price of a glass of port from my tormentors, almost twenty years before the film from which this excerpt was taken, was filmed. <\/p>\n<blockquote><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Fountain_in_Tom_Quadrangle_Christ_Church_Oxford-4414083555.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-60327\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Fountain_in_Tom_Quadrangle_Christ_Church_Oxford-4414083555.jpg 600w, https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Fountain_in_Tom_Quadrangle_Christ_Church_Oxford-4414083555-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>For I too am Anglo and Roman Catholic and Buddhist and Taoist and a snob &#8212; at least until I meet <strong>you or you<\/strong>, and humanity breaks in.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ by Charles Cameron &#8212; opposite extremists at opposite extremes &#8212; for JM, if he ever gets time to read \/ view \/ hear it ] . As I write this, JM Berger is publishing what will no doubt be a powerfully argued and fascinating theoretical and, I suspect, anecdotal account of a wide range [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[218,1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-59046","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-philosophy","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/59046","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=59046"}],"version-history":[{"count":46,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/59046\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":60540,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/59046\/revisions\/60540"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=59046"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=59046"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenpundit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=59046"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}