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[ by Charles Cameron<\/strong> –a quick round ’em up, rawhide of news and views — read the first one, even if you skip the rest — some of which are frankly hilarious, and darkly sad too — and towards the end, there’s one mind-blower with gospel reference! ]
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Millennial mils debate Syria:<\/strong><\/p>\n

This, from WaPo<\/strong>‘s summary of the Democratic debate<\/a> of 15 October 2019:<\/p>\n

There was a point in the middle of the debate when South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (Hawaii) had an impassioned debate about whether the United States should be in Syria. Gabbard was the most noninterventionist candidate on the stage, while Buttigieg said Syria was perhaps the one place in the Middle East where we continue to need a presence. That disagreement aside, this was two millennial veterans of Middle East wars \u2014 the only two combat veterans among the leading candidates \u2014 having that debate on a presidential stage. That\u2019s quite the moment.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

That’s a debate within the debate, and the criterion for being on that stage is a lot stiffer than for the stage-of-twelve.<\/p>\n

BTW, hey matryoshka<\/strong>! — <\/p>\n

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Serpents I:<\/strong><\/p>\n

And then this, for a serpent-bites-tail moment<\/a>, with the middle slytherin’ of the snake passing through time:<\/p>\n

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Rep. Adam Kinzinger<\/strong> (R) offers a lesser time-inflected serpent on Twitter:<\/p>\n

Wow. We bombed our own base on purpose, because of the impulsive decision by @realDonaldTrump didn\u2019t leave time to evacuate the right way. Is this the America you grew up believing in?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

**<\/p>\n

Word choices I:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Inside that Giuliani serpent piece, there’s this exquisite word choice<\/a> by a company pertinent to the investigation:<\/p>\n

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**<\/p>\n

Word choices II:<\/strong><\/p>\n

But it gets better, once you look at the Giuliani<\/strong> associate twins<\/a>, Igor Fruman<\/strong> and Lev Parnas<\/strong>:<\/p>\n

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Snap!!<\/p>\n

**<\/p>\n

Serpents II:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Here’s a serpent formerly biting its tail attempting to unbite it<\/a>:<\/p>\n

It\u2019s a microcosm of the same Trumpworld shamelessness that has suddenly converted Donald Trump Jr. into an outspoken opponent of nepotism.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

**<\/p>\n

Here’s a report of Bolton<\/strong>‘s grenade attack<\/a> on Giuliani<\/strong>:<\/p>\n

Giuliani\u2019s growing headaches are political as well as legal. Yesterday Trump\u2019s former top adviser on Russia and Europe, Fiona Hill, reportedly told congressional investigators that her boss, former national security adviser John Bolton, labeled Giuliani \u201ca hand grenade who\u2019s going to blow everybody up\u201d by meddling in Ukraine…<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

That’s six, just from my first scan — seven would be enough for me to close this and post!<\/p>\n

**<\/p>\n

Seventh:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Oh well, as you may know, my degree is in Theology <\/strong>from Christ Church, Oxford<\/strong>, and I’ve continued my interest in New Testament scholarship while broadening it to include Gnostic, Buddhist, shamanic and other sources.. <\/p>\n

Today’s haul [well, a day or two ago, but today at the time of writing!] contains a second matryoshka<\/strong> instance, this one from a piece about “Secret Mark”<\/a> — the gospel fragment preserved by Clement of Alexandria and disclosed to the world by Morton Smith<\/strong><\/a> in 1973:<\/p>\n

Since the Swine do not actually appear to have any overlap with the adjacent story of the possessed man, the story of the Swine appears to be another intercalation or at least addition. It seems like \u201cMark\u201d had a collection of unconnected stories that he pasted together to create a single narrative. His literary techniques with intercalations and framing stories (i.e. putting some of his stores inside other stories instead of pasting them one after another) give us an idea of how freely he worked with his material.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

What’s really interesting about the fragment of a letter from Saint Clement containing a previously unknown section of Mark’s gospel is that it suggests that Jesus taught some form of initiation into :<\/p>\n

And they came into Bethany, and a certain woman, whose brother had died, was there. And coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and said to him, ?Son of David, have mercy on me.\u2018 But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered, went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightaway a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going near, Jesus rolled away the stone from the door of the tomb. And straightaway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth came to him, wearing a linen cloth over [his] naked [body.] And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The mystery of the kingdom of God? <\/p>\n

Some second form of baptism? In the spirit? With an entheogen, as (arguably) in other “mysteries” such as that of Eleusis? A sexual, tantric mystery (the young man is instructed to be naked)? Or an initiation into meditation techniques? Who knows. All we can say is that according to this fragment, Jesus seems to have had some deeper teaching that he revealed after seven days to the young man.. <\/p>\n

More:<\/strong><\/p>\n

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  • Shawn Eyer<\/strong>, The Strange Case of the Secret Gospel According to Mark<\/a>\n
  • Richard Hooper<\/strong>, The Naked Man in the Garden and The Secret Gospel of Mark<\/a> <\/li>\n<\/blockquote>\n

    There, number seven, and it’s a humdinger! — and every one of them featuring some sort of formal interest!<\/p>\n

    **<\/p>\n

    Boom! Bonus:<\/p>\n

    Hobby Lobby and a Bible fragment controversy<\/strong><\/p>\n

    I ran across this while searching for a link to Morton Smith<\/strong>‘s book — or was it the other way around? Anyway, this is about a different Mark<\/strong> gospel fragment, indeed possibly the earliest New Testament manuscript of all<\/strong><\/em>:<\/p>\n

    From today’s Guardian<\/strong><\/a>:<\/p>\n

    An Oxford University professor has been accused of selling ancient Bible fragments to a controversial US company that has been involved in several high-profile scandals related to its aggressive purchases of biblical artefacts.<\/p>\n

    Dirk Obbink, one of the world\u2019s most celebrated classics professors, has been named after an investigation by staff associated with Oxford\u2019s Oxyrhynchus Papyri project.<\/p>\n

    He is accused of selling without permission a number of ancient fragments to the US arts and crafts chain Hobby Lobby. Its owners, the Green family, are prominent Christian evangelicals and, under the guidance of the Hobby Lobby president, Steve Green, were behind the founding of Washington\u2019s $400m Museum of the Bible in 2017. [ .. ]<\/p>\n

    The lecturer in papyrology and Greek literature has previously denied some of the allegations, telling the Daily Beast in 2018 that the claim he sold a fragment of the first chapter of the gospel of Mark to Hobby Lobby was not true.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    Previous reports:<\/p>\n

  • Gospel Coalition<\/strong>, 2015, How Should We Respond to Reports that a Fragment of Mark Dates to c1 ?<\/a>
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    It was reported yesterday that a three-dozen member team of scientists and scholars\u2014apparently including the well-respected New Testament historian Craig Evans\u2014is working on a papyrus fragment of the Gospel of Mark, discovered as part of an ancient Egyptian funeral mask.<\/p>\n

    Due to the expense of securing clean papyri sheets in the ancient world, the papier-m\u00e2ch\u00e9 of these masks was made from recycled papyri that already contained writing. Evans explains, \u201cWe\u2019re recovering ancient documents from the first, second and third centuries. Not just Christian documents, not just biblical documents, but classical Greek texts, business papers, various mundane papers, personal letters.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    Amazing, eh? Metacognitive reading: think about it, what’s hidden in our masks?<\/em><\/p>\n

  • Christianity Today<\/strong> 2018, Despite Disappointing Some, New Mark Manuscript Is Earliest Yet<\/a>
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    The Egypt Exploration Society has recently published a Greek papyrus that is likely the earliest fragment of the Gospel of Mark, dating it from between A.D. 150\u2013250. One might expect happiness at such a publication, but this important fragment actually disappointed many observers. The reason stems from the unusual way that this manuscript became famous before it became available.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    I’m afraid that’s the story of its questionable sale.. <\/p>\n

    Oh dammit, Professor Obbink<\/strong> is a tutor at Christ Church<\/strong> — my own college.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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