“Trust, but verify” and Pakistan: III
Are we getting closer to that starkly phrased remark of Zen’s that I quoted at the outset of this three post series, “Osama bin Laden was caught and killed in an ISI safe house in Abbottabad” ?
I trust Lawrence Wright quite a bit — but I would like to verify…
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onparkstreet:
May 8th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
I wrote the following over at CBz too:
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It is interesting that I am essentially saying the same thing, and yet, using a different sort of rhetoric.
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The foreign policy community of the West has had every possible engagement with the country in the past sixty years. The trajectory has been one way….
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This, I think, our FP mandarins cannot let themselves accept. They have had a hand in it.
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Just as certain members of the Pakistani security establishment thought they could handle their own pet jihadis, we thought the same.
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We thought we could "handle" the moderates and manipulate the game to our outcome. This thinking is, and has been, dangerous to many innocent Pakistanis, Afghans, Indians, and Americans among others.
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– Madhu
onparkstreet:
May 8th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Charles, I seem to have messed up that extract from my blog post at CBz. Might you be able to fix it, if you have time? If not, I totally understand.
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I am such a bad proofreader.
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One more point: The key factor is not duplicity, or complicity, but that the system is set up to grow non-state actors. No one can reliably control them and no one is interested in trying to round up all groups.
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I spend a lot of time reading about the region on online think tank websites and open source American military journals.
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It was a great conceptual error to concede that a weaker state needed violent jihadi actors as balance to a larger state next door. The jihadi virus grows and mutates and kills.
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Shame on the American think tank and intellectual foriegn policy community that allowed such nonsense to become the status quo thinking. Shame on those in the Washington defense community that thought over the years they could game the system to their advantage.
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That is my initial impression which may not be entirely fair.
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– Madhu
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(How do we really know that our attempts at engagement are keeping the nuclear arsenal in relatively safe hands? How do we really know? I contend that we don’t.)
onparkstreet:
May 8th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
I love to comment in threes. Will stop after this 🙂
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By conceptual error, I mean that I’ve been trying, in my very imperfect and layperson’s way, to take a very small intellectual history of the strange relationship the US and the UK and others have had with Islamabad. It’s been a strange, self-deceptive trip.
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We need to examine all policy options – for intellectual thoroughness – and we need to take a hard intellectual history of our past engagements and disengagements. We’ve tried pretty much everything except for making it clear that there will be a NO tolerance policy for non-state actors running amuck.
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– Madhu
Gold Dagger:
May 9th, 2011 at 1:27 am
The CIA had known for quite some time bin Laden was in Pakistan and never told the Pakistan government. Obviously, like the dog that doesn’t bark, the fact that the US intelligence agency and military attacked inside Pakistan without informing them means they were well aware who they were dealing with. But the evidence also suggests that bin Laden was hiding without the knowledge of the Pakistan government. He was hiding out practically all by himself, with a couple of trusted couriers. There’s no evidence bin Laden trusted anyone in the Pakistan military. Unless they find something in all the documents recovered from his compound.
zen:
May 9th, 2011 at 2:18 am
Heh. The defense of Pakistan/ISI in regard to complicity with Bin Laden/AQ seems to share much of the same logic as the defense of Alger Hiss. 🙂
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Excellent series of posts, Charles!