The United States does not need to bow to the demands of kangaroo courts run by Transnational Progressives any more than we should grant manipulated and incomplete data scientific credibility. Or attempt a systemic solution for the planet only within the borders of the United States. We need to call such things what they are – a hostile and dishonest bid for power moved by the Spirit of Tyranny- by a small class of networked international activists.
When people propose solutions that do not address a problem and lie about their justifications we can be pretty sure they wish us nothing but harm.
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Marc Schulman:
December 26th, 2004 at 8:20 pm
Mark,
A great post. If you haven’t seen it, you should read John Fonte’s “Liberal Democracy vs. Transnational Progressivism,” available at
http://www.hudson.org/files/publications/idealogical_war.pdf
Have a Happy New Year!
Warm Regards,
Marc
mark:
December 26th, 2004 at 10:24 pm
Marc,
Thank you and thanks for the tip which I will pass on to Geitner whose interest in the malevoleny antics of the Trans-Progs predates my own.
Happy New Year to you as well !
Dave Schuler:
December 26th, 2004 at 10:45 pm
Steve Verdon posted on this a while back. I’ll repeat the comments I made over on his site: contemporary Inuit (Eskimo is considered pejorative) don’t live a traditional lifestyle: they live in fixed settlements, use snowmobiles, and hunt for the fur trade. This is rent-seeking pure and simple.
Is anyone entitled to a lifestyle? To whom does such a right belong and when does it begin? In my grandfather’s day minorities had few rights, there were very few women in the workplace, and cars had a fuel economy of 8 miles per gallon. Do we have a right to return to such a lifestyle now? Why not?
mark:
December 27th, 2004 at 6:20 am
Dave,
Excellent point.
Perhaps we should all get to pick our own state subsidized lifesyle. I’m going to opt for a Turkish Sultan…though an English Dukedom would also be appealing.
Anonymous:
December 27th, 2004 at 2:54 pm
Sorry, I am afraid I find this entirely off base.
First, of course, there are perfectly clear treaty negotiating reasons for the differential between developed and developing nations. Second, there are perfectly good economic reasons for doing so as well (marginal cost of implementation, expected capital resources), so characterizing the differential as some kind of conspiratorial tax on the US and growth is half way daft.
Now, at the same time, I agree that Kyoto is not a well designed treaty and rather should have been reworked.
Second, the long quote from Lobos is …. well hardly the material of a real scientist in tone or content of rebuttal [Lobos seems to be a physicist] (e.g. a white Xmas in Texas is not in any way relevant to rebutting the general consensus on global warming). Lobos’ characterizations are… extreme and in my read, unfounded (ex as directed at the popularizing NGO Hard Greenies, admittedly the actual focus of much of the comment). As far as my read goes, the consensus is fairly robust; the conclusions about what to do do, of course are something rather more dodgey to my read.
Overall, I have to say this is more than slightly over the top and subpar for you.
Col
Anonymous:
December 27th, 2004 at 4:59 pm
Mark, I was with you up until you started quoting Lubos. I’m sure he’s a smart guy and all, but there really is not a lot of substance to his arguments. And I say this as someone who’s skeptical of claims that climate change is primarily being driven by humans (and who is dead-set against Kyoto).
— Matt McIntosh
mark:
December 27th, 2004 at 5:57 pm
Ah, I relish criticism :O)
Col,
I think in terms of marginal cost, encouraging polluters to relocate to China and India is a particularly bad ecological strategy. These countries are attractive enough in terms of comparative advantage in labor costs without adding further incentives to industrial ” bad actors”.
Dual standards that encourage building up large industries in relatively poor( per capita) and exceedingly populous countries where they did not previously exist helps delay high environmental standards there as long as possible. It does not help a global ecosystem to require Americans to be bailing water twice as fast in the lifeboat if the Indians and Chinese are going to be drilling more holes. Many, many more holes. Better ( and cheaper) that we invest/subsidize upfront in high standards for new industries everywhere than try to clean them up after the fact.
Col & Matt,
Lubos was being very breezy and partisan in his attack on RealClimate because they are extreme greens and are not making scientific arguments anyway, by his standards ( Harvard theoretical physicist). If you read him regularly he’s usually on a more serious plane in most of his posts.
That was one of my more partisan and less serious posts I’ll agree and I was probably more incensed by the transnational progressive tactics of suing the United States over Kyoto than by anything else.
If you are interested in a more temperate and serious post on the topic of Global warming and Kyoto regs, Becker and Posner ( blogroll) are on the same issue this week which I meant to link to and excerpt to but I simply ran out of time. Perhaps I’ll update later today.
TM Lutas:
December 28th, 2004 at 1:00 am
The TCS people covering COP-10 are saying that everybody, even the EU tranzi crowd are coming to the realization that Kyoto’s a failure and that there will be no Kyoto II. Nobody’s actually following the thing and they can’t keep straight faces to negotiate a successor. All that’s left is a holding action on the politics and education, education, education on the science.
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