On Time and timeframes

Grurray:

July 1st, 2013 at 9:06 pm

I like Dakota time.
It actually doesn’t sound too far off from what 
Boyd was talking about with the “cheng/chi” or “Nebenpunkt/Schwerpunkt” (I’ve been reading LCR’s compilation lately).
Lower level decentralized, quicker, spontaneous, frenetic initiative coalesces around centralized, unified medium of intent.
This is the strategic version of the infamous military and organizational expression “hurry up and wait”, which apparently actually had some value before the bureaucrats and philistines got hold of it. 

Grurray:

July 1st, 2013 at 9:07 pm

Sorry Lakota –  we really need an edit around here

Grurray:

July 1st, 2013 at 9:21 pm

On the other hand I usually subscribe to the Sinatra “one take” school –

Each additional iteration takes something away from the original impact and intent of the composition (not to mention eats into cocktail hour).

Perhaps one more allegory to add to the Lakota Management Method

joey:

July 4th, 2013 at 1:33 am

Democracy is crushed,  an elected government is over thrown by the army,  the crowds cheers them to the rafters in Tahir square.  Those arseholes.

I can’t appreciate the lighthearted approach to Egypt today. 

zen:

July 4th, 2013 at 4:34 am

I agree, not much to cheer about.
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Morsi, while democratically elected, and the MB were illiberal democrats. When you get down to brass tacks, Morsi let the MB run torture centers as loosely deputized “security”, permitted or even encouraged the persecution of Copts by Islamist mobs, arrested his critics and was laying the foundations, albeit legally, sort of, for a new one party sharia state.
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The Egyptian Army, what can you say, it has been a partner in running Egypt since Nasser toppled the monarchy.
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The crowds in the street may be “liberals” – i.e. secular modernists – but they are a xenophobic, hypermisogynist lot who seem to think gang rape is a form of street protest and that going to war with Israel would be a good idea and not an epic disaster for Egypt.
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On balance, the MB out will probably spare Copts, Egyptian women, stray Shia and Egyptians who want to live a western lifestyle a lot of grief, but Egypt is unlikely to become a democracy. The Army will conclude – with some justification – that the politics of a genuine democracy only brings the fundamental rifts in Egyptian society to a head so that they will “manage” things, at least as a “deep state”, to prevent that from happening and for opportunities to graft further ( which like the PLA in China, they already do)

joey:

July 4th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

Yes, agree with all your points,  but some democratic governments in the west and Latin america also ran torture centers, if not on there own soil, then in a convenient proxy.  That is not considered to be a cause for a military coup.  Democracy is nothing if not gritting your teeth until the next election.
Democracy in the Arab world seems to have been debased into a form of mass populism,  rather than a form of constitutional parliamentary democracy as we would recognize.

What is frightening to me is that many in the west looking at events in Egypt cannot tell the difference between the two.

I suppose that during the last 1200 years its been the army in control in Egypt.  This should be not to surprising.